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#219782 - 04/22/08 07:06 PM Re: Bill Passes for Castration in LA [Re: LandOfShadow]
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Yes i am filled with so much anger at the abusers that i think i will ignite, and yes i have shouted to the air and in chat that abusers should be hung.
But you know what i would not want us to stoop to that level, yes they do horrific things to kids, i and we all know that first hand.

When and i hope we dont take out our anger on the abusers and use the law for vengeance then we have lost any humanity we have left.
This sort of thing has happened in the past, hate crimes, mob rule, vengeance killings, and so on, and now we look back on it all with disgust and horror.

So some talk about killing them, ok do it but you will live with the fact that it would not appease the anger inside and it would eat away at you till you passed on.

lets leave the law to the law makers and police BUT keep an eye over their shoulder to make sure they do the job properly and pass laws to try and hinder future abusers.

All this talk about killing gets us nowhere, i have had to take life, in the service of my countries armed forces, did i enjoy it because they were the enemy and trying to kill me, NO. I would rather have not had to do it. Killing for vengeance sake destroys the killed and the killer.
If we took the life in this way of an abuser we would not be an avenger or protecting children, we would be a cold killer.

Dont want to offend but this is what i feel.

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#219793 - 04/22/08 07:41 PM Re: Bill Passes for Castration in LA [Re: SEVEN ARROWS]
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Andy and LandofShadow,

Guys, read the posts. I'm not seeing support at all for this legislatures brain fart!

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#219808 - 04/22/08 08:57 PM Re: Bill Passes for Castration in LA [Re: Still]
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Trish,

It was the pro-murder post that caused the reaction. I'm very glad to see it gone.

Again, we will not see sizable membership increases, official support and media attention with violent, vile content.

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#219815 - 04/22/08 09:28 PM Re: Bill Passes for Castration in LA [Re: LandOfShadow]
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K. MAJOR TRIGGER. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK. I can personally tell you that castration of sex offenders is not going to solve any problems. in fact many sex offenders may be spurred to offend in or to "Get Back At The Goverment", for the loss of thier manhood. many offenders don't orgasm during offending it's mostly about control, or renacting abuse they may have suffered but from a different standpoint, the one in charge.

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#219824 - 04/22/08 10:20 PM Re: Bill Passes for Castration in LA [Re: JustJeff]
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I'm assuming it was my "pro-murder" post that incited the reaction. I didn't really track it after the first few replies, I modified my post to clarify some things, I didn't see the replies so I apologize for that. I would like to clarify one more thing here.Before that however...I completly agree with Jeff, castration doesnt really accomplish anything, prevents arousal, but not neccessarily abuse. As for Robbie Brown, you may view my opinion as vile and violent, which you are more than entitled to, thats what makes the western world great. However Vile and Violent are two words that describe who I am, am I proud of it? No I'm not, my anger has done horrible things, and I am ashamed of my temper. I have never learned to forgive, I was never taught how to forgive, so all I know is what I taught myself to survive, in order to survive my life, I have learned one method, vengence. Not your run of the mill kind, the firey burning life consuming need to attack those who harm me, its not getting even, metaphorically its as if you embarass me at work, I'll ruin your name at work, at home, I'll do everything I can to embarass you and shame you, instead of an eye for an eye, you take my eye I take you life. I'm not bragging, its who I am, I'm not proud of it, and when I enter therapy at the end of may, I hope that I can change this aspect of me. I often wonder if it ever will change. Have you ever seen the show locked up? They interviewed a man who admittedly had a long-term affair with a 14 year old girl, and he "demanded" that he be kept in segregation so he could be kept alive. His request was granted. Whats next? Pay for me to move to the middle of nowhere where I can't harm people? Ok so maybe killing them isn't the right thing to do, should we protect them? No, should our tax dollars go to build sex-offender rehabilitation facilities? Not when american children are starving they shouldn't. There are more important things in the world than convicted felons of any kind, let alone ones that commit crimes of a sexual nature.

While membership increases, official support, and media attention are all good and well, I thought the intention of this site was healing and recovery. If healing and recovery are secondary in nature to maintaining the presentability and membership dues then I have been misled, and would ultimately be extremly dissappointed. To my knowledge my aforementioned posts did not violate any rules, and were an expression of my emotions. I believe it was an appropriate expression, and as long as we were talking about appropriate expression.Lets say you can express your beliefs as long as they don't offend our chances of making the evening news,go ahead and add that to the forum rules. Or anything that a due paying member disagrees with. Two great new additions to the rules. Should we be sensitive to one another? YES when it comes to sensitive "trigger" issues...just because you disagree with my opinion does not mean I am inherently wrong or you are inherently right, thats why they are called opinions.Ok RANT OVER.

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#219864 - 04/23/08 03:48 AM Re: Bill Passes for Castration in LA [Re: USFbull]
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USF It was not your post at all. It was another post that triggered it. The post called for cutting the throat of offenders - thus, murder. FYI: This site has a stated policy against violent threats. Threats (according to state, federal and case law) can be direct or in-direct in nature. Suggesting the murder of anyone for any reason can land said individual and the website in huge legal trouble. THAT sir is a reality. You can flaunt all the bravado you claim true...but at the end of the day, words mean things and courts mean even more...and they ain't fkin around these days.

As for priorities of the site...(news flash)I don’t set them. I only observe that some of us have been seeking national and/or state-based support for survivors, as there are little-to-no resources for us. Sexually abused or raped women usually have ample resources at the county, state and federal level. When it comes to men and boys...it’s simply not there for us.

Now, we can sit back and wait for public policy support and change (that means laws, funding and programs BTW). Or we can take the lead and make things happen. I tend to not sit on the sidelines wringing my hands in hope that someone else will pick up the ball and run with it. I pick it up myself and run it down field!

My mention of this factor of hope for support through media, legislation and membership roles increasing does not constitute a shift or even suggested shift in priorities. Just because I mention a factor or an issue, it does not reflect diversion from our intended purpose.

Is the primary goal and intention of this site healing and recovery? Hell yes. Does that mean all else needs to be neglected? Hell no. I've heard that organizations can actually multi-task.(no shit...I've heard this for real) Why, I've even heard of other 501c3 organizations work on healing AND fund-raising AND legislative action all at the same time (can I get a "wow?")....All Gods children say "WOW."

I've even heard that Mothers Against Drunk Driving have done all three very very successfully for many years now. They raised money, they invoked legislative action (another example of public policy change for those of you in Rio Linda) and they support families hurt by drunk driving. MADD has had laws changed, sentencing guideline dramatically changed, public awareness dramatically increased. Before MADD came along, drunk driving was a passive non-issue that got NO public attention. \:o

And let's just imagine for a moment what a site like this might be able to do with an extra $1-2,000,000 in federal grants. Naw...fk it...let's just remain as we are and ensure limited outreach and effectiveness.

OR...Let's try not being so short-sighted!! Hell, with the size and gravity of CSA, we ought to be twice the size and power of MADD by now.

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Should we be sensitive to one another? YES when it comes to sensitive "trigger" issues...just because you disagree with my opinion does not mean I am inherently wrong or you are inherently right, that’s why they are called opinions.


Well...I'll suggest that as an element of defense for the anti-abortion activists...or the white supremacist...or the NAMBLA site. Fk dude...the NAMBLA site must be chock-full of opinions. I bet they would LOVE to come here and express their opinions. What's good for the goose...as they say. I mean after all, as you say, it IS their opinion they are expressing, and opinons...as you say..."cant be inherently wrong". Shit dude, they will be SO fkg happy to hear that.

I've got to suggest some of my past law professors that they cite this cannon of common law. There are no rights or wrongs...just equal opinions. "in my opinion your honor...my client had every right to voice HIS opinion calling for the execution of Jews in New York City...it was his opinion, and he's entitled to it!...I rest my case."...."it was my client's OPINION your honor that the anti-abortion website in question ought to encourage murdering some doctors...its their opinion and they ought to be able to express it!"

Again, the post in question called for the cutting of people's throats. Beyond legal issues, that kind of verbal violence can scare people away from the site. Not everyone is a tough, knife-wielding thug bent on revenge. Some potential members or users of the site are still children…some are women…some are guys who are simply not violent and don’t want to be associated with anything that promotes violence. Why, do you know there are actually people out there who find dialogue about murdering people to be repugnant?

So what happens then? They click-on (buh-bye) and we never get to meet them to explain that “that’s really not what we are about here at MS…we just let people post things about murder cuz...well...they got opinions...ya know….here…look at the Off Topic Forum…we got funny stuff there \:\) ...have some punch and cookies?” \:o



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#219869 - 04/23/08 05:07 AM Re: Bill Passes for Castration in LA [Re: Still]
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Gentlemen...

this is politics. Everyone has strong emotional responses to political issues...normal!
The members of this site and those who frequent it are CSA survivors and those that love a CSA survivor...so its understandable to have a strong response to this particular piece of legislation that has passed THE SENATE of LA...(ie. its not a law just yet fellas!)

From what I have been told and read...everyone has their own pace and they deal with their affects and manifestations differently.

you cannot change anyone but yourself! right?

So please take the focus off of yourself for a moment and just embrace a couple of 'what if's'
what if the article triggered a response (toward the violent side) from !i can't remember the posters name!
No, it does not mean that those things need to be aired out in the forum...but neither does it mean that everyone else should take such a strong reaction to it, like leaving the site!

This is policy, it was removed...but instead of being ignored and reported and it being an experience (a trigger experience) that one can grow on and use as possibly a tool on what fights to fight.
I can say this pretty easily...but I can understand from the CSA survivors viewpoint that ALL FIGHTS ARE WORTH FIGHTING because there was so much time, or maybe even just that one time, that you weren't given the choice of whether to fight or not.

What I do know is that it is not your fault...I think we can all agree on that one. But it is our responsibility to be responsible for our actions...AND REACTIONS...as we are aware and have the knowledge to do so.

Robbie is right in that if you want to be taken seriously you need to behave somewhat towards the 'status quo' end....the 'status quo' being that one adheres to the rules and policy of the site/forum.
What I can understand from Robbie's post is that this is important to him, not because its more important to have funding and media attention...but because RECOVERY is important and need to be available to all at an equal depth and breadth. GO YOU!
Way to have a mission.

USF is right in that EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion...and your own way to place things in your head and in your world where it can make sense and make you whole again. If you believe the sob's should get a death penalty instead of wasting tax dollars in a prison cell...awesome, GO YOU...but I think you took some blame for something that was not yours there.

Point is...I think that if you respond to a post in a negative manner, then you should notify if appropriate or simply not respond and question yourself on WHY you feel negatively.
Its just no reason for everyone to start a 'fight or flight' process that can tear the whole site in two!!

Everyone is here for the same reason...everyone is at different phases in their recovery...

it is the very nature OF relationships to give and take...there will always be times where one is getting more than they are giving and vice versa...as long as its recognized and in the name of the greater good then fantastic!

As for the law...Louisiana...one-time perps, fifty time perps, the murderers and the plain ole bad people......... The Lord says "VENGANCE IS MINE!!!!!!!!"


and since I know God to be bigger and perfectly able to produce a suffering greater than my imagination could EVER come up with....I'm okay with that!

So lets just get on with recovery and lock this topic

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#219879 - 04/23/08 07:17 AM Re: Bill Passes for Castration in LA [Re: Bulala]
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Don't lock the thread, it's for a news forum for crying out loud. lol. nice open forum reference btw.

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#219880 - 04/23/08 08:21 AM Re: Bill Passes for Castration in LA [Re: Still]
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My apologies for my previous post.


Take good care.

GW

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#219885 - 04/23/08 08:54 AM Re: Bill Passes for Castration in LA [Re: GWsurvives]
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*pokes the dead horse with a stick* You make a convincing arguement Sir Robbie! However while we view the opinions of NAMBLA as disgusting and wrong, they are still entitled to it,not neccessarily entitled to express them everywhere. I think you and I agree on quite a bit, you have a way more mature and developed way of looking at the situation!

*poke poke poke*

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Unnatural vices Are fathered by our heroism.
Virtues Are forced upon us by our impudent crimes.
These tears are shaken from
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