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#212158 - 03/21/08 06:16 PM Hero's in Childhood?
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In the last few months – when the painful memories come back of childhood, I have been trying to combat them by “counting my blessings.”

My Dad once advised me that in this world – you had to take the good that came to us – as well as the bad that came to – and it was up to us to make the best of it.

A part of my strategy has been looking back on my childhood, (for the first time in many years,) and looking at the people I consider my hero’s. Those who instilled in my positive values – that in hindsight, I now feel paid off – because it helped make me a better man.

So I thought I would share a question with the others here and ask who was your hero in childhood and why? Fictional or real life? Father, Brother, Sister, Mother, Aunt, Uncle, Cousin, Friend, Teacher, Counselor, Probation Officer, Police Officer, -- Mayor, or any person who came into your life and touched you in a way you never forgot.

Who inspired you during your days of turbulence and hardship….. and why?

Mine were my Dad and my Junior High Football Coach.

I will share the why in a later reply.

Sincerely,
DKing

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#212160 - 03/21/08 06:24 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: dking777]
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Great question!

Childhood: HE-MAN! Master of the Universe! Woo!!

Teen: Mrs. Valdez, one of my teachers all 3 years of high school, who really helped me.

Adult: All YOU guys. \:\)

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#212161 - 03/21/08 06:34 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: AndyJB2005]
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-I had my Uncle Earl. He was just like John Wayne. He was a nuke sub COB and ran river speed boats in Nam. He was bigger than life...but spent very little time with him throughout my life. He was either fighting in a war or sitting under the polar ice cap playing cat & mouse with the USSR subs. He tried to get me to spend a summer onboard a US Navy Ship as a civilian teen. My mother would not allow it.

-The 1968 RedSox

- David Bowie (seriously)

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#212162 - 03/21/08 06:45 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: Still]
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hmmmmmm
Childhood my mom. She wasn't a whole lof of help but she did what she could to make me a better person. I always hated it when she said I disappointed her.

teen CS Lewis. Fank Herbert, Issac Asimov.

Adult. Mr. Spock


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#212166 - 03/21/08 07:04 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: Freedom49]
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Oh I forgot to mention my other hero....HOMER SIMPSON! \:\)

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#212172 - 03/21/08 07:17 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: AndyJB2005]
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My real uncle Percy
He had a goatee, wore an ascot & beret, took me fishing on his boat & told me I had the hands of a doctor

Brainiac 5
I mentioned my "fascination" with super heroes & comicbook characters earlier
He was green & had dials on his head

Bam Bam
I liked his vocabulary & his strength

Astro the dog in the Jetsons
rye riked ris rocabruary roo

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#212182 - 03/21/08 08:59 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: ineffable]
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i've thought a lot about people in my childhood

how some adults wanted to be my friend and were kind to me and i find it hard to understand why, so my childhood heroes are the people that for absolutely no reason were kind to me

an old guy- in school, he used to wait for his grandson to come to the gates, but he also used to wait for me, and he would give me a penguin chocolate bar, almost every day, he didn't used to give his grandson one as far as i know, why did he do this, i'll never know

the milk man- he was the tallest guy i had ever known (he had to bend his head to come into our house), i don't know why he always felt compelled to give me things, but he must have spent a lot of money on me in all, he used to give me a 50 pence piece, almost always, i never understood why, and he also used to give me sweets, and if i saw him in the street he would give me sweets, he was cool

the shop keeper- when my grandfather died, and i was never in a rush to go home (especially near stressful times like christmas), i started just going to the shops for a bit instead of going straight home, there was an old shop keeper, and i used to talk to him about my day, he didn't seem to mind, and he bought me a birthday card, he didn't have to be kind, they told me he went home to his country, i think he died, i kept asking if he was coming back but he never did come back

school caretaker- he always used to speak to me, he was like a heroe to me, one of those guys who was a real man, and he used to mess up my hair and tell me that i was special (not in a weird way) and i think he really saw something in me, he didn't have to speak to me

i think those people are as good as any heroes,

and of course, that's all of you guys included!

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#212190 - 03/21/08 09:10 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: ineffable]
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Helen Keller - she was able to overcome so many difficulties and obstacles.... I decided to become a speech-language therapist at the age of 6 or 7... this is my 20th year in the profession

My mother... was and is the coolest person - beautiful, smart, caring, compassionate -

My grandmother - she was a brilliant surgical nurse who would talk science with me for hours and hours and hours... gory stuff and brainsurgery stuff... I LOVED her! She was a raging alcoholic, and I never knew!

Mrs. Pyle, my 4th grade teacher.

Pony Boy from "The Outsiders" (book NOT movie!)

Scout from "To Kill a Mockingbird"

Agua Man - he was too cool and i wanted to be a speech-pathologist AND a marine Bioligst AND a surgeon for a time there... and he swam with all the coolest animals!


Dan

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#212195 - 03/21/08 09:36 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: dannym]
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also, Madmartigan (swordsman-played by val kilmer) in the film Willow, brilliant film!

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I love you, little lewis, and i will never leave you. We are the same. You brighten my day, and i will make sure that i brighten yours. Hugs and kisses.


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#212196 - 03/21/08 09:49 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? *DELETED* [Re: king tut]
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#212213 - 03/21/08 10:53 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: awakening]
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childhood-
My father. I loved when he would pick me up from a relatives house after I would spend a week or more there when he was on a cruise. He'd always pick me up and put his cool officer's hat on me, that would always be way to big and would slide off or cover my eyes.
Samwise Gamgee-From Lord of The Rings \:\)
Frodo Baggins-From Lord of The Rings \:\)
King Theoden-Again, Lord of The Rings
Stider-Lord of The Rings
David Beckham
later on-
Frodo, Sam, Theoden, Strider-Older, doesn't mean my heroes had to change ;\)
Jose Theodore-Hockey player
Raine Maida-singer
Chris McCandless-He might have been mentally ill or whatever, and opinions vary, but I respect him hugely for being himself
Two actors- Bernard Hill, Karl Urban-I just love their work

And lastly, As I study history more and more, it might sound corny, but I draw inspiration, strength, and faith from great people of our past, who made the world we lived in today, or stood up for something. These include.......

Edward J. Smith-Captain of The Olympic and Titanic
Queen Liliuokalani-Last monarch of the kingdom of Hawai'i
A lot more, historical figures, musicans, actors, teachers, friends, athletes. Anyone whose example or work has helped me forward in my life.......



Edited by SuperTramp7981 (03/21/08 10:54 PM)
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#212224 - 03/21/08 11:42 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: dking777]
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My math 7 grade math teacher who helped me understand math and made it fun. He always had a great out look and was from Greece.

I had no inspiration for many years. there were no positive people in my life. IF being a drug addict and alcoholic was inspiration that by all means Neil Young, Jimmy Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Jim Morison. I kind of figured they were my inspiration especially The Wall which showed me I could be exposed in front of my piers and not have to be ashamed, of fearful about it. That my prison was a lie and the walls could come down. Hendrix, Morrison, Zep, to go against the grain, and not follow the status quo.

The who because the taught me to rise above mt limitations and push the limits and reform my life in a new light.

My mom, even though she had been through a rough marriage to an alcoholic and raising 6 kids, working, and nearly became an alcoholic herself. She rose above the odds and came through. I hope one day I will be able to give as much back as I have received.

As a child the astronauts were all my hero's because I always wanted to be one they were the true hero's to me. To be brave enough to go to the moon and have the courage to do something man had never done leave our planet and go to the moon. What a wondrous yet fear fulled time it must have been, what courage and bravery it took to do this. They were my hero's.

I don't remember any others

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#212232 - 03/22/08 01:19 AM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: GateKPR4]
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What a cool idea! Here are my heroes as a kid:

My Dad.
Eddie, my first guitar teacher, who gave me a silver dollar dated to his birth year (1886) when he saw I was hurting.
Miss Bonzo, who encouraged my interest in poetry and told me it was okay to cry when Robert Frost died.
My Scoutmaster, who chased off the abuser and looked after me in Scouts after that.
Superman!
Buddy Holly.
Chuck Berry.
Robert Johnson.
Howling Wolf.


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#212275 - 03/22/08 12:45 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: awakening]
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This is really hard for me to even come up with one person who I considered a hero. Growing up with 7 siblings in a small farming community I had very little contact with anyone other than my family. I guess my 2nd oldest sister I was closest too.

Also had a couple teachers I liked alot. I think they liked me. Probably the best friend was my first girlfriend my freshman year. We talked about everything.

Maybe because of this rotton childhood I am so screwed up today. I have a hard time trusting anyone.

Ken

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#212292 - 03/22/08 02:07 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: KENKEN]
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It's also hard to search in my past for heros, Ken. I don't believe I'm alone in this but I can't think of any heros as a child or a teen! There is really no one special I would ever want to go back to meet! Sorry guys!

Howard

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#212294 - 03/22/08 02:22 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: ScottyTodd]
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Edited by SEVEN ARROWS (03/23/08 02:07 AM)

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#212312 - 03/22/08 03:46 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: SEVEN ARROWS]
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My heros as a child always was my parents (and my grandfather). That is the way I think it should always be, and I am very sorry for all the children who have parents who are not worthy of that.

Andrei


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#212345 - 03/22/08 08:04 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: ScottyTodd]
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Originally Posted By: ScottyTodd
It's also hard to search in my past for heros, Ken. I don't believe I'm alone in this but I can't think of any heros as a child or a teen! There is really no one special I would ever want to go back to meet! Sorry guys!
Howard


Hi Howard,
I like the quote in your signature.
Quote:
It's never too late to have a happy childhood!.....anon

Your response made me reflect back on my early adult life. There was a void in me toward my first childhood - so I dedicated myself in my years of 18 to 26 to giving myself a happy second childhood. Everyone who met me back then said I was the biggest kid they had ever meet. I always radiated toward friends who had a sense of humor. I loved the sound of laugher during my early adult life. When I stumbled onto a good friend back then - I would always tell them,

"I want to be just like you when I grow up."

I felt like there was a part of me that still hadn't "grown up."

With that in mind - do you have any one you look up to and admire, that has been an inspiration to you in your second phase of nuturing the inner child during your adult years?

Sincerely,
DKing

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#212353 - 03/22/08 08:23 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: KENKEN]
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Originally Posted By: KENKEN
This is really hard for me to even come up with one person who I considered a hero. Growing up with 7 siblings in a small farming community I had very little contact with anyone other than my family. I guess my 2nd oldest sister I was closest too.

Also had a couple teachers I liked alot. I think they liked me. Probably the best friend was my first girlfriend my freshman year. We talked about everything.

Maybe because of this rotton childhood I am so screwed up today. I have a hard time trusting anyone.

Ken


Hi Ken,
You response gave me pause to reflect on a time in my childhood when my family moved us to an isolated rural area. It was in the country and we lived next to a small horse ranch. During that time - I had a dog. The first time in my life I had a dog. I was dealing with a lot of isolation issues. I felt my family was alienating me. Part of the reason for the move - was because things I said to a school nurse had prompted an investigation from CPS. My family was on the lamb - and I was feeling the sting from the wrath of everyone. The attitude projected toward me during those two years was - when was I ever going to learn to keep my mouth shut. It was the fifth move in three years because I had been trying to talk to officals about the abuse.

I devolped a pysche bond with that dog. She was very protective of me during that time. I felt that pet of mine - taught me more about love - than my own family was doing during that time. It was strange to my young mind - that an animal had more compassion toward me - and guided me on a path of understanding better than any human had done in my past. Humans were not doing a great job of setting a postive example for me during those 2 years. My family was divided on the issue. Three knew I was telling the truth and trying to expose the "dark secret." Two thought maybe I was making it up to make trouble to get even with my Mom for some sort a resentment I harbored toward her for the past. It seemed as everyone in the family resented me during those two years.

So for two years - my dog was my hero.

Growing up on a farm - did you have any pets that helped you cope with the issues of growing up? The love and devotion a pet has toward us during moments of crisis. I felt that bond of love had a great healing power during that young time in my life.

Sincerely,
DKing

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#212391 - 03/22/08 11:19 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: ak]
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Originally Posted By: ak
My heros as a child always was my parents (and my grandfather). That is the way I think it should always be, and I am very sorry for all the children who have parents who are not worthy of that.

Andrei


I agree. I really do feel for those without parents worthy of being a hero to you, I have no idea how I would be able to have done/do it without my parents, particularly my father. I'll just say I doubt I would be in a house, with access to a computer right now, I would probably either have died, or be a homeless tramp somewhere.

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Have no fear for atomic energy,
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How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look? Ooh!
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We've got to fulfil de book.

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#212395 - 03/22/08 11:31 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: SuperTramp7981]
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As a child, my grandmother

In college, my english teacher

As an adult, my dad

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#212409 - 03/23/08 01:16 AM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: healing_inside]
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My Uncle Ray was a big hero of mine. He was soo cool. Him and uncle Carl. Uncle Carl had a prosthesis for his right leg. I didn't know it for years. When he was visiting he'd ask me for a hammer and a tack in the morning when he got up. I'd go get them for him and he'd hammer the tack through the sock into his leg! DAMN!!! That always got me going! \:D

I had no superhero's or anything. My folks never had a TV. They didn't get one till last summer about a week before dad passed away.

I spent my time inventing superhero's in my fertile imagination. They always came in and rescued me from the bad things that were happening to me. (sigh)

I guess I'm somewhat in the same boat as some of the other guys in that It's hard for me to come up with any hero's other than those two uncles.

Lots of love,

John

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#212460 - 03/23/08 11:12 AM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: ScottyTodd]
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Originally Posted By: ScottyTodd
I don't believe I'm alone in this but I can't think of any heros as a child or a teen!


I had the same sort of experience. As an adult I realized that there where people I admired when I was a kid, but as a kid, I made sure not to rely on anyone. With hindsight, my heroes were Jacque Cousteau and the Phantom*.

Mike

* The ghost who walks.


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#212465 - 03/23/08 11:28 AM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: mike5]
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DKing, Thanks for your response! You are correct in that I am having a good childhood now. I have a friend my age who introduced me to salt water fishing and, since I absolutely love the ocean...water sports...etc. that has been a big fun time for me. Even if I don't catch anything, being around the ocean, watching the fishing trawlers pass up and down the inlet, I'm having a ball!!! Try as I might to connect with positives , my memories of any of my childhood are best avoided!

Thanks for your responses!!!!

Howard

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#213755 - 03/28/08 04:24 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: dking777]
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Outside my relatives --

Age 2 to 6, Casper: He was real to my mind growing up. He was always trying to be friendly and do good to others.
Age 6 to 8 Batman: He was fighting the evil in his world - for the sake of citzens. He was hidden behind a mask which I identified with by that age. I felt there was a part of me hidden away from the rest of the world.
Age 8 to 16 Elvis: My Grandmother is the one who introduced me to the music of Elvis. She told me how the world had tried to villianize him and he overcame that. She felt that was because "God" was standing on his side. I had "pain attacks" when I was a child. The Doctors associated it with nerves. She told me the sound of Elvis's voice calmed her nerves. He introduced me to the healing power of music.
Age 16. Rolling Stones / Bowie / Elton: For the healing power of their music and walking with the dignity of being gay or bisexual.
Age 16 - Jacklyn Kennedy Onasis: For having to face the world in the aftermath of her own tragedy and doing so with grace while trying to raise her children with the fear - some villians in the world would do them harm. For sheltering them from the media and trying to give them the nurturing they needed.
Age 20 Steven Stayner: For bringing the nation's attention to a problem people had wanted to blind themselves to in the past. The outrage that followed in aftermaht of the trail for the lack of a conviction for sexual crimes against a child. When I heard he died in 1989, I went and bought a 12 pak of beer. For everyone I drank - I poured one out for him. I felt he had accomplised a great feat in this world. He has been and will always be a hero to me.
Age 24 Tina Turner: for overcoming the abuse she endured in her early life - and making a comeback -- proud and strong.
Age 26 My friend the humble musician from Aberdeen: For being there for me during an eight year period and for being a person who felt the healing power of music and the message - was far more important than the money or fame.

Some of the hero's I have had over the years.

Sincerely,
DKing

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#213763 - 03/28/08 05:59 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: dking777]
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Childhood: Martin Luther King Jr. (still is)
Zorro, Superman, Dr. Leonard Heroo (my pastor)
and my dad (I miss him).

Teens: Mr. McNamara (my band teacher for 5 years)

Adult: My wife, my 5 year old daughter who is overcoming
her autism (she's my heart, my two sons who are my
pride. My Grandfather who was an honorable man
until his last day. Darth Vader (any guy that will
go to the dark side because of his love for his wife
is ok with me. ha ha).

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#461350 - 02/23/14 07:32 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: dking777]
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Old thread but I'll comment anyway as this one can't annoy anyone that I know of. First, my oldest sister, who took the beatings too. I don't know if she or anyone in my family knows about the perps on me outside of our home on me though, or if she got perped too.

Also, Walt Disney. Disneyland was a place I could and did feel safe. Now that I saw the movie "Saving Mr. Banks" and found out he's an abuse survivor too (at least verbal and physical types) makes him all the more a hero to me. May sound like a silly hero to some, but he was and still is to me.
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#461431 - 02/24/14 10:30 PM Re: Hero's in Childhood? [Re: GateKPR4]
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Ricky,

Your post, from the dubious music heroes to your large family raised mainly by a strong mother, could be mine.

Absent father, I was oldest of six raised by a mother that put herself through college, off of welfare and became a teacher. She died suddenly a couple years after my youngest sibling moved out. She wasn't perfect but the only thing close to a hero I've ever had. But the drugs, alcohol, and rock music I still look back on as quite possibly saving my life. Thanks for your post.

Peace & Love, Paul
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