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#203697 - 02/05/08 02:16 PM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: Danbuff]
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I think it would be nice if we all had cell phones (especially the kinds with cameras and video and text message capability) Why don't we make sure that FEMA gives us all cell phones?

I think it would be nice if we all had new cars. Why don't we make sure that the Dept of Transportation makes sure that we all have 2007 or newer cars? After all, they're free right?

I think it would be nice if we all had a Secure Retirement, oh wait Social Security is already taking care of us, forget what I just said.

I think it would be nice if we could all have computers. Let's have the FCC give out computers to everyone (18 and over) Why not? They're free aren't they?

I think it would be nice if we all had our food provided for us. Let's have the Dept of Agriculture hand out food stamps to EVERYONE. After all, it's free isn't it?

I think it would be nice if we all had College provided to us free of cost. So lets have the Dept of Education provide all of us with college vouchers. This way, we could all go to Stanford or Harvard. Why not? It's free isn't it?


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#203698 - 02/05/08 02:54 PM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: Hauser]
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We already have Medicare and Medicaid, for which I am taxed. The country does not need three health care plans. If there should be any socialized health care, it should be handed over to the individual states to handle. The federal government has no authority in such matters, although admittedly they run roughshod over the supreme law of the land in many other areas already.

With a nine-trillion dollar debt, I want our government to cut back, not add to, the annual budget. But then, what I want is not important to them. All they care about is spending us into oblivion.



Edited by FormerTexan (02/05/08 03:09 PM)
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#203699 - 02/05/08 03:01 PM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: FormerTexan]
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I want the system, I want the candidate that I like to win.

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#203700 - 02/05/08 03:06 PM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: Hauser]
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Hmmm,
Sorry that you see it that way Hauser, Again with all due respect we are talking about fundamental issues about healthcare. Cell phones, computers, cars and the like are luxuries. Healthcare is a necessity. I might guess you have healthcare avialable to you at some cost. If you do, then count yourself fortunate.
What about the people working jobs at low wages or even $10-11 an hour. They make too much for state sponsored buy ins but don't earn enough to buy insurance out of pocket? What about people who don't make enough to live on but make too much for medicaid? What do they do when they are sick?

They do not get the help they need and go without. I know two people personally who worked all thier lives and have no healthcare. One works full time as a teachers aid but without benefits because she is a temp hire for three years and no chance to step up. She is paying student loans and can't get another one to get her Masters because she defaulted a time or two for econimic hardship. She also works a second job and after she pays the government loans she still takes a bus and has no insurance and lives as a renter. I have a friend who was downsized at age 55. Too old or overqualified, he never found a job. Age discrimination and previously earned too much. No company would hire him because they feared he would run at the first chance to a better job. It is also cheaper to hire a younger person or part-time. He therefore used his retirement to live off of and has no insurance and still does not qualify for his Social security. There is something wrong here. The economy stinks and wages are low and if you don't have insurance like 47 million people are without then that is ok I guess.

50% of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills not covered by insurance. I think it is time we get real serious about addressing this national shame that we stop ignoring the people who fall in the cracks and lose a home over policies that favor big business. I think it was designed to be a government for the people and by the people. It seems only for the the well connected people. Healthcare is not a luxuary and equating it as you did misrepresents the issue.
Peace,
Dan


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#203800 - 02/06/08 04:05 AM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: Danbuff]
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In Australia we have a federally run health system called Medicare - every Australian resident is covered - low income earners earning under $50000 receive free medical & subsidized medications ($5 per>
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#203801 - 02/06/08 04:40 AM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: arronb]
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Anyone can go to a hospital ER at any time and get free health care if they have no money to pay. Illegals do it all the time. there are free clinics all over. Welcome to america. That is a democratic political lie to get votes.

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#203830 - 02/06/08 09:28 AM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: arronb]
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"What's the point of having government if they don't provide for & protect the people their governing."

I'm all for government protecting me. National defense is what comes to mind there. However, I provide for myself. I buy my food. I bought my house. I bought my car. I pay for my trash removal and for my water. My government provides me nothing that I need to survive. Nor is it their job to. I'm ok with that too.

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#203848 - 02/06/08 11:44 AM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: FormerTexan]
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It amazes me Americans buy all this silly BS and put up with such a shitty excuse for a government.

The health care system in France has BETTER outcomes than here in the US. And it costs a little over HALF per person as we spend in the US.

Why the hell can't we do that? We could of course. Our political system just won't allow it. The public certainly has wanted a solution for many years, but money is more powerful than democracy in the US.

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#203852 - 02/06/08 11:55 AM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: LandOfShadow]
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"It amazes me Americans buy all this silly BS and put up with such a shitty excuse for a government."

Probably for different reasons, but I agree.

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#203860 - 02/06/08 01:18 PM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: FormerTexan]
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one of the more frightening things though about the american system - was told to me by an ex bf -
he said that when he was negotiating a contract between a hospital and an insurance conglomerate - they wanted to make as much profit off of the sick as possible.

they charged in their premiums an average of 6 times over the averaged costs of treatments (with everything included) because - why?

because no one would question them - and they could.

it was all profiteering - 6 times the cost of all coverable costs.





Edited by markgreyblue (02/06/08 01:19 PM)
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