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#203613 - 02/04/08 11:31 PM National Healthcare would prevent this.......
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this kind of thing really 'gets my goat'
when i was in canada i saw a doctor at a public clinic because i had hurt my knee -
(they have national health coverage there)
the doctor i saw wasn't full of distraction over paperwork and making money
he was very calm, warm and caring - the money i did pay, since i was not canadian, was still secondary-
there was a small initial charge - and the second visit - (with pre>
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#203614 - 02/04/08 11:43 PM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: markgreyblue]
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Mark I have to write a paper for my english final this year on health care in America i couldn't agree with you more.


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#203615 - 02/04/08 11:58 PM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: theatrekid]
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I could not disagree more.


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#203616 - 02/05/08 12:05 AM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: Hauser]
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Hauser - I do not know your argument - but what I can say is in defense of this argument - for national health - is that

the mentality of healing - the culture of it - in the canadian system - is endemic and creates a whole other mindset in all walks of life- after living in both 'systems' - there
was much more interest in the individual -

I will say that no system is perfect of course - private health care does support certain things - but overall - the mindset
of national health care -

really worked in Canada - as I saw it.

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#203617 - 02/05/08 12:08 AM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: markgreyblue]
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I guess no argument is needed - this is just where I stand on the issue - and it still 'gets me mad' when I see people
having no tact/humanity like that nurse because they grow up in a system of non national health rights nor national healthcare



Edited by markgreyblue (02/05/08 12:15 AM)
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#203622 - 02/05/08 12:43 AM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: markgreyblue]
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Perhaps I could've gotten mental health help at 18 or younger rather than 26, and not come inches from suicide, if we had national health care. But hey, at least the Doc's get nice new Benz's. [/sarcasm]

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#203638 - 02/05/08 04:24 AM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: AndyJB2005]
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No offence but as a Canadian, even the idea to PAY for healthcare is asinine, ludicrous even. It's just such an foreign, bizarre, and archaic concept to me. I was born and raised in universal healthcare and its a *fundamental* concept... As sure as I am that red is red and blue is blue and water is wet i am sure that healthcare should be universally available.

Yes, I pay the BC Medical system a nominal monthly fee for coverage but it's nice never having to worry about any of that stuff when going to a free walk-in clinic or visiting a family doctor, or having to go to the hospital. It's also not as though I would lose my coverage for failure to pay on time, either.

Our Canadian system has its flaws though. It's unfortunately somewhat mismanaged and surgery wait lists tend to be longer and stuff but, hey, at least everyone in the country is getting the care they require even if they have to wait for it a while.

I hope I live to the day when dental/mental care is also provided by our system. I personally consider dental health (important stuff, not cosmetic) should be thought of as a medical procedure because your teeth can really have a lot do do with your overall health. Further to that, universal mental health is soooo needed but it seems that isn't on very many official priority lists.

Just a few thoughts. That article drives me nutty as well, Mark!
~Brian

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#203677 - 02/05/08 12:16 PM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: frost]
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Mark? About "distraction over paperwork and making money", are you sure you meant THAT or maybe you meant:

"complying with government regulations and billing"?

Anyway, I have some thoughts on this matter.

There once was a time in America that doctors focused on treating patients, without the red tape and threat of lawsuits that are commonplace today. Until the 1960's, Americans paid CASH for medical care, and only had insurance for a major medical crises. The inherent beauty of this system was that there were no 3rd parties paying for services. That means that the patient had a direct incentive to keep the costs down, because he/she was paying for it, not some HMO or government program.

On HMO's, they did not come about because we, the consumers, voluntarily chose to support their model of business. No, they're here because of GOVERNMENT. The HMO Act of 1973 required almost all businesses to offer their employees HMO coverage, and, in Congress's infinite wisdom, it was decreed that only employers can deduct the cost of health insurance, not the individual, (at that time) The unintended consequence of this government meddling? SURPRISE! The unemployed and low-income citizens are left without needed checkups and catastrophic coverage.

Whilst many of my fellow citizens are quick to criticize our current Health Care System, few of them realize that it was IMPOSED on us by FEDERAL LAW.

Do you REALLY consider the solution of "more government" to solve our current system? How about relying on the free market and depending on competition and direct financial incentives to keep costs down? Remember, when GOVERNMENT controls health care, all incentives to keeps costs DOWN are lost.

Also, there is the principle that we're responsible to ourselves first and foremost. I mean, COME ON. Ok, Hey Mark, I just broke my leg. I want you and your neighbors to pay for it. COME ON. Where is the sense in that?

Ok, I'll shut up now. \:\)


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#203680 - 02/05/08 12:33 PM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: Hauser]
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I hear your points totally about the downside to buracracies.
Maybe if the IRS were disasembled it could be reincarnated
as a national health system - hence no added bureacracy. \:\)

I think something has to change. Happy Super Tuesday (get out and vote!)



Edited by markgreyblue (02/05/08 01:39 PM)
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#203695 - 02/05/08 01:55 PM Re: National Healthcare would prevent this....... [Re: markgreyblue]
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I also agree we need a National Healthcare plan and it can be designed after a model that works and tweaked to best fit American needs. I recieved medical care three times in a year as an exchange student in London. They looked at me as if I were nuts when I gave them my American Blue Cross Blue Sheild card. There was no charge, for being seen or for the medicine. One time I think I paid about two dollars for a pre>
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