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#202645 - 01/30/08 06:28 PM Re: Online predator [Re: Lazarus]
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Lazarus I'm all for tough sentencing, probation, and keeping track of people that are dangerous to society.
But I think putting monitoring bracelets on people that have done their time already is unconstitutional, and very dangerous.

It starts with our perps getting these bracelets, but who is to stop it from then being other people that have been released from prison? people with drug charges? and then after that what next? all citizens have to wear a bracelet to "protect" them? Thats not a world i want any part of. I think education and well funded treatment programs is a much smarter way to handle sexual abuse in our country.

thats my thought any ways sorry if i sounded to Orwellian.


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#202698 - 01/30/08 09:19 PM Re: Online predator [Re: theatrekid]
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No, actually you are right. I didn't think it all the way through.

Oh well, that was my best solution. Besides treatment programs, education is also very important. I didn't know that my abuse was criminal then; hopefully every 9 yr old on the planet knows it by now.

No apologies, Christopher.

Lazarus

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#202710 - 01/30/08 10:18 PM Re: Online predator [Re: Lazarus]
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I'M right? oh wow i need a second lol... im not used to hearing this one \:\) thanks lazarus

christopher


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#202751 - 01/31/08 07:42 AM Re: Online predator [Re: theatrekid]
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Hey Christopher,

Did you say you needed a second lol or a seconal? (I don't have my glasses... LOL)

Laz

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#202855 - 01/31/08 03:57 PM Re: Online predator [Re: Stephen_5]
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I haven't read the legislation, but I am sure it would only affect those convicted of similar offences, or actual predators.
That is how it works in the UK, but don't forget the civil liberty, or human rights issues, as we call it.

Let us not forget, that most "real" abuse, is happening in kids own homes, by their own family.
The message gives the familiar sigh, of, the whining flock, baying, Oh, they are doing something positive in the arraigning child abusers.

NOT!

In MY humble oppinion,

ste

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#202965 - 01/31/08 11:57 PM Re: Online predator [Re: reality2k4]
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SECOND lol


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#203100 - 02/01/08 10:21 PM Re: Online predator [Re: roadrunner]
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One thing that astonishes me is the way pedophiles set up their own fantasy world allowing them to believe that they will not be caught, even though they have heard about how chat rooms are full of vice cops these days (for example). The cops bust a guy in his home and what do they find on his PC? Records of every kid he has molested, including intimate details that could only be known through abuse. What are these guys thinking?

That is the rub right there, Larry. I have a brother in law who is doing 15 years for sexually abusing his own son. He told his sister (my wife) that he figured no one would catch him because he was such a nobody no one would be looking for him. It goes to show that perhaps the sense of self worth of these guys actually contributes to their ultimate demise. "I'm a worthless nobody so why would they look for me to be doing anything?" It doesn't make much sense but in the end what about this does?

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#203151 - 02/02/08 10:44 AM Re: Online predator [Re: WalkingSouth]
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Just one quick comment on the electronic monitoring stuff. We have that in NJ via Parole for the most dangerous (Tier 3) sex offenders.

There are two kinds of monitoring-- live time and recorded. The recorded is a map that shows where the person goes over a period of time, so if he is not be be in the vicinity of a school, for example, and the monitor shows him on school grounds yesterday, it can be used to violate his probation or parole. However, it does nothing to prevent anything-- just shows later on.

The other kind is live monitoring. This means that if the guy is supposed to be in his house between 8 pm and 6 am and it shows him going to his girlfriend's house where the victim lives at 3 in the morning, the PO can go out there to bust him.

Problem with the recorded system is that it prevents nothing. Problem with the live version is that there must be POs on duty 24/7 to watch these guys. Cost per PO with proper gear is going to run more than $100,000 per year times how many POs you need to hire. Actual cost is probably more than that.

The state and feds often put out laws/requirements which are not really effective but sound good to the politicians who want to get tough on sex offenders. Raises false hopes for the general public and gets them re-elected. However, they expect the parole or probation departments to absorb the huge costs without supplying the money necessary to carry out a questionable policy.

Add to that the fact that repeat offenders are extremely low and most crimes are caused by people unknown to the system.

It's a lot more complex than most people realize.

Ken


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#203203 - 02/02/08 04:22 PM Re: Online predator [Re: Ken Singer, LCSW]
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Quote:
It's a lot more complex than most people realize.


Of course it is, but there is no preventative measures to stop child abuse, and there never has been.
Imagine! The number of kids suffering what we suffered, with nobody to talk to.

Just a note Ken, there are also female abusers',

dte

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