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#193148 - 11/29/07 12:10 PM Ron Paul Update
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He raised 4.3 MILLION dollars in one day earlier this month (a record amount for any candidate in any party). A few months ago, he was being laughed at and marginalized, now he's being taken seriously. I guess freedom is once again popular huh?

It's also interesting to note that Dr. Paul wants to not only pull American troops out of Iraq, he wants them out of Japan, Korea, Germany, Saudi Arabia, etc., and he get MORE campaign donations from military personnel than ANY other candidate! What's THAT all about?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/017238.html


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#193153 - 11/29/07 12:53 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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He did well on the debate last night deflecting attempts at making him look like a nut-case. I was very impressed by him.

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#193154 - 11/29/07 01:00 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Still]
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Oh Rob, you're just another one of those "whacky" Ron Paul supporters.


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#193155 - 11/29/07 01:04 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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Well, you are only half right....I AM whacky.....not sure yet who I'll support in the NH Primary.

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#193170 - 11/29/07 02:37 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Still]
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Ron Paul has my unwavering support just for being anti-central bank.

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#193173 - 11/29/07 02:49 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: FormerTexan]
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Dr. Paul is a great American Patriot. Not sure if I'll vote for him or Mitt Romney, but I love Paul's committment to freedom. I have to say, I haven't met a more educated man in a long time, despite what Rudy tries to depict him as. As he said last night, essentially calling Dr. Paul "Hitler"....very out of place and uncalled for.

Just my thoughts.

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#193202 - 11/29/07 11:48 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: J.R.]
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Barry Goldwater Predicts Ron Paul

"The turn will come when we entrust the conduct of our affairs to the men who understand that their first duty as public officials is to divest themselves of the power that they have been given. It will come when Americans, in hundreds of communities throughout the nation, decide to put the man in office who is pledged to enforce the Constitution and restore the Republic. Who will proclaim in a campaign speech: 'I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel the old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is “needed” before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents’ “interests,” I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can.'”

Barry Goldwater, The Conscience of a Conservative, 1960: Victor Publishing Company, Shepherdsville, Ky., p. 17.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater



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#193807 - 12/04/07 07:02 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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Wow, that sounds an awful lot like Robert H. Heinlein, a science fiction writer who I loved to read when I was growing up. I suspect it was after 1960, so he may have been plaigerizing Goldwater, or the opposite could be true. In any case, they BOTH have an excellent point!

He also predictied that in 2008 the Neo Conservatives would win the US Presidency, in 2012 they would steal the election, and in 2016 the election would not take place. I hope the only error in this prediction was NOT that it was off by 8 years...

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#193820 - 12/04/07 08:37 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Lazarus]
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In the days immediately following 9/11, I had concerns that the 2004 election might never take place.

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#193896 - 12/05/07 11:40 AM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: BJK]
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Here is Dr. Paul's latest TV ad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ur8F_c5PQg

Dr. Paul was on "The View" earlier this week, and wouldn't you know it, abortion was the dominant topic. He held his own quite well I would say. http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/017421.html

He IS a top tier candidate now, even though the Clinton News Network and Faux News are trying to ignore and marginalize him. He recently raised 4.3 MILLION dollars in just 24 hours, all from private donations and volunteers. He is projected to raise well over 12 MILLION dollars by December 16th. He's making the welfare/warfare statists nervous, because they know that their gig is up when he gets in office!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8&feature=related




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#193916 - 12/05/07 02:34 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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He's now got my vote. Just the fact that the mainstream marginalizes him is enough for me to come off the fense about him. Because, when you marginalize his ideas and ideals, you marginalize a certain population of people whom stand on the same ground as Dr Paul. I'm hoping for a strong showing for him in NH.

One interesting fact: I get polled alot being in NH. When the polsters walk through a list of candidates for options and questions being posed, they almost never mention Ron Paul.

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#193928 - 12/05/07 04:39 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Still]
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Ron Paul is OK if you're anti-war, because he will be able to declare a troop withdrawal. As for the rest of his plans - they're useless. He won't be able to accomplish any of it.

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#193976 - 12/05/07 11:59 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: melliferal]
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#194132 - 12/06/07 06:19 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Still]
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Hi again Mel.

You seem to appreciate the fact that as President and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, Dr. Paul could order an immediate pullout of U.S. Forces from countries that they now occupy, but in regards to your concerns that he could not get anything else done because of an unwilling congress, those concerns are (to me) unfounded. Perhaps you recall the power of Executive Orders? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

With an executive order, he could accomplish MANY things to stop the relentless growth of government.

Also, as President, he would have the powerful tool of mass media coverage to communicate to the American people. Imagine, if you will, a scenario, in which the President makes a prime-time White House announcement to the American People that he has co-sponsored a bill to abolish the IRS, but that the bill was voted down by a presumed majority in Congress, (give up power? GASP!) Now, what do you think would happen, if President Paul listed off the names of every single congressman that voted against letting people keep their own damned money? They would wise up and give in, because otherwise they would lose their coveted jobs, if you want to even call them that.

You know what the first thing President Paul should do via Executive Order? Make EVERY Congressman pay into Social Security, just like the rest of us, LOL. In case any of you don't know, Congress has it's own retirement, pension, and medical plans. What's good enough for their citizens isn't good enough for them apparently! \:\)

Hey Mel, this Saturday I'm going to the City Library and hand out Ron Paul informational pamphlets to Library Patrons, you wanna come with and help out? I'll bring a thermos full of hot coffee too!


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#194136 - 12/06/07 06:51 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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Ha!

Well, Executive Orders are very powerful things, it's true. However, they do have limits. Things like the Federal Reserve system, the IRS, and the Department of Education were all specifically created by acts of Congress - bills which were passed, and signed by the presidents of the time. Executive Orders do not have the power to overturn acts of Congress - only other passed bills can do that. A new president cannot retroactively veto bills in that fashion.

Also, by becoming President, Ron Paul would lose the ability to introduce and co-sponsor legislation! He can make suggestions, but that's it - the Constitution draws a line between the executive branch and the legislative branch.

This is the only real problem I have with Ron Paul. No Congress would repeal the Federal Reserve Act, not in a hundred years! I'm fairly certain the IRS is safe, too. But Ron Paul talks as if these things WILL happen when he becomes President, when he MUST know they certainly will not. He's setting things up so when he can't accomplish what he promises, he can blame Congress for his failures. I suppose he would be correct in the most technical sense, but that's also not being entirely honest with the public, in my opinion.

Pragmatically speaking, I like what Ron Paul says - lower taxes, and even maybe no taxes, would certainly be lovely. No troops in Iraq sounds fine to me, too. The only idea of Paul's that I take issue with is changing back to the Gold Standard - terrible idea, and I don't think he's really thought that one through as much as his other ideas. But anyways.

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#194147 - 12/06/07 07:47 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: melliferal]
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#194150 - 12/06/07 08:10 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Still]
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Melliferal,

"This is the only real problem I have with Ron Paul. No Congress would repeal the Federal Reserve Act, not in a hundred years!"

Andrew Jackson abolished the central bank of the United States with his power as president. I believe Ron Paul can do likewise. With State of the Union addresses, Ron Paul can speak to the public and educate them on the truth of the Fed and the IRS.

Question: why do you think the gold standard is a bad idea? It would far better for our liberties and property rights if our money was issued debt-free and commodity-based instead of as a liability by a central bank. It worked well for this nation for a very long time.

One of these days, whoever holds ownership of the nine-trillion dollar national debt is going to say "Enough!"

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#194156 - 12/06/07 09:08 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: FormerTexan]
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Originally Posted By: FormerTexan

Andrew Jackson abolished the central bank of the United States with his power as president. I believe Ron Paul can do likewise. With State of the Union addresses, Ron Paul can speak to the public and educate them on the truth of the Fed and the IRS.


You're referring to the Second Bank of the United States. It was a private bank which held a Congressional charter to serve as the central bank, a charter that had to be renewed in 1932 in order for the bank to continue to function that way. Congress passed a bill to renew it, but Jackson vetoed the renewal - and THAT's how he was able to end that bank. But the Federal Reserve Act contains no such time limits or requisite renewals that require presidential approval.

Originally Posted By: FormerTexan
Question: why do you think the gold standard is a bad idea? It would far better for our liberties and property rights if our money was issued debt-free and commodity-based instead of as a liability by a central bank. It worked well for this nation for a very long time.


In theory, there's nothing really wrong with commodity-based money; that's true. Where the Gold Standard fails is where it meets reality: Right now, there exists a total of about two and a half trillion dollars' worth of mined gold on the entire face of the planet. Pretending for a moment that the US government had custody of all of it (which it doesn't), it isn't enough to cover the more than 7 trillion dollars of US currency currently in circulation. There are two ways to reconcile this: firstly, the government could reduce the amount of currency currently in circulation. That would be a neat trick, but it would also be catastrophic; even if we could make the federal government and all its fiscal necessities disappear into a black hole (perhaps by electing Ron Paul), there's absolutely no way the US economy could exist and thrive on two and a half trillion dollars.

The second way to resolve the problem would be by increasing the price of gold versus the US dollar - i.e., suddenly declaring that 2.5 trillion dollars worth of gold is now worth 7 trillion US dollars. Now, all the US's money is backed by gold. The problem with that is, no one else on earth would be changing the price of gold versus their currency. That means the value of the US dollar drops compared to other currencies - by more than 60 percent! The US dollar would no longer be the international standard - it would be replaced perhaps by the Euro, or the Pound, or the Yen. Hell, even the Peso could give us a fair run. Yikes, if you think gas prices are bad now, wait till oil suddenly costs $850USD a barrel.

This is all assuming, again, that the US owns all the gold in the world. It doesn't - the world's gold is scattered all hell to breakfast. No country in the world uses the Gold Standard, because the fact is, no government in the world has ENOUGH gold to back a modern economy. There just isn't enough of it in existence.

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#194158 - 12/06/07 09:21 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: melliferal]
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Quote:
You're referring to the Second Bank of the United States. It was a private bank which held a Congressional charter to serve as the central bank, a charter that had to be renewed in 1932 in order for the bank to continue to function that way. Congress passed a bill to renew it, but Jackson vetoed the renewal - and THAT's how he was able to end that bank. But the Federal Reserve Act contains no such time limits or requisite renewals that require presidential approval.


According to G. Edward Griffin, Jackson was censured by the Senate for his actions in opposing the central bank, which you correctly mention as The Second Bank of the US. However, the House supported Jackson through a series of resolutions which effectively rendered null the censure of the Senate and called for an investigation via special committee on whether the bank had caused the then-current economic problems. Though the head of the bank was called to be investigated by Congress, the charter was allowed to expire and the central bank became a state bank.

As for there not being enough gold to back the paper, it's mainly because the paper is grossly over inflated. Up until 1913, the price of an ounce of gold was valued at 20 dollars. A dollar was a unit of measurement, such as gallons or inches. Now a dollar is a floating piece of paper, and we cannot stay on that system and expect to survive economically. An ounce of gold now is valued at approximately 800 federal reserve notes because the federal reserve note is grossly overinflated thanks to corrupt practices of central banking. The bank needs to go. I for one am tired of paying trillionaires to be their slave.

The Fedeeral Reserve Act does contain one clause that states "the right to amend alter or repeal this act is expressly reserved." Congress held this one provision over the act.



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#194160 - 12/06/07 09:36 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: FormerTexan]
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Originally Posted By: FormerTexan

As for there not being enough gold to back the paper, it's mainly because the paper is grossly over inflated. Up until 1913, the price of an ounce of gold was valued at 20 dollars. A dollar was a unit of measurement, such as gallons or inches. Now a dollar is a floating piece of paper, and we cannot stay on that system and expect to survive economically. An ounce of gold now is valued at approximately 800 federal reserve notes because the federal reserve note is grossly overinflated thanks to corrupt practices of central banking. The bank needs to go. I for one am tired of paying trillionaires to be their slave.


That may be; but again, you could change the value of the USD versus gold all you want; you could change it back to $20 per troy ounce I suppose. But no matter how much you deflate it, the amount of gold the US has is all it has, and it's not enough to run the economy. That's just domestically. We can trade with everyone because the entire universe is fiat now, and our dollar is stable in the market - but if we go to the Gold Standard, how do we trade with other governments, some of which have no gold at all?

If we're going commodity-based, we need to use a commodity that A) we have enough of, B) we can make MORE of as our economy grows, and C) everybody else has.

For the record, honey is a world market commodity...



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#194163 - 12/06/07 09:45 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: melliferal]
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Either way, the central bank has to go. And Ron Paul will work toward this, if not accomplish it.

All due respect to the bees, gold and silver are constitutional money.




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#194164 - 12/06/07 09:46 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: FormerTexan]
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Very interesting comments you guys. Who says we can't have competing currencies? Who says fiat money has to be phased out all at once?

You're both very conversant on the subject of money and macroeconomics, but Mel? Why don't you also heed the advice of someone that has been in congress for 30 years, and a member of the House Committee on Financial Services, and has studied Austrian Economic Principles even longer, as well? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School

Well, I don't want to flog a dead horse, Ron Paul isn't perfect so Mel can't support him. \:\(

Does anyone else want to help me hand out Ron Paul pamphlets this Saturday?


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#194166 - 12/06/07 09:53 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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#194168 - 12/06/07 09:58 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: MarkK]
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I'll have Starbucks Coffee in my X-large thermos, are you sure you can't make it?


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#194169 - 12/06/07 10:06 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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#194173 - 12/06/07 10:31 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: FormerTexan]
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Originally Posted By: FormerTexan

All due respect to the bees, gold and silver are constitutional money.


Honey is gold-COLORED...

Gold was fine back in the day when most of it was controlled by governments and you didn't have billions-of-dollars-a-year businesses growing like kudzu everywhere. As of 2006, the US has $207 billion dollars of gold in reserve. How's that supposed to work? We switch to Gold, and it's time to start taking Chinese lessons.

I don't take issue with the central bank thing; truth be told I don't know anything about central banking versus free banking, so I'll give you all that one. Free banking might be for the best. The US lived for 80 years once without a central bank, I'm sure the world wouldn't end if we tried again. But I tell you, gold is a bad idea.

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#194174 - 12/06/07 10:33 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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Well, I don't want to flog a dead horse, Ron Paul isn't perfect so Mel can't support him. \:\(


Argh! I don't want to support him because he's (1) a politician who's (2) running for president. Grrrr, politicians.

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#194224 - 12/07/07 10:38 AM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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Alan,

You live pretty close to the makers of Door County Coffee (I think it's in Wisconsin). It blows Starbucks away! A freshly course ground French Pressed cub of Ethipian Yirgacheffe coffee from Door County (or Coffee AM) is generally how I like to start my day.

Bryan

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#194245 - 12/07/07 01:48 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: BJK]
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Mel, I'm assuming you hate politicians because they want to:

1. Tax you
2. Limit your freedoms and,
3. Basically run your life.

Well here is a guy that's running for President that is NOT like all the others. He believes in YOU. He believes that YOU can best decide what kind of school your children will attend, what kind of medical coverage you want, what kind of retirement plan you want to participate in, etc. He wants you to be free to keep ALL the money that you earn, to spend it as YOU wish, and to run your OWN life, not the way that bureaucrats in Washington think is best for you. Here is the only chance you're gonna have to do that for the next few years..........don't pass it up! \:\)

Also, please keep in mind that Dr. Paul boasts a 100% stellar voting record in regards to limiting the scope and size and expansion of Federal Power and spending. If you like freedom, I suggest that you support someone who's actions speak for themselves. In Washington, he's called "Dr. No" and for good reason. http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296

I will finish this reply by siting a misnomer that Washington and power corrupts everyone. It does NOT. Some men stand behind their principles no matter what. The excerpt below sums up his moral character pretty well. If, after all this, I can't get you to support him, I GIVE UP!! \:\)

"Washington Did Not Change ME"

(CNN) — Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) prefaced his answer to a question about cutting federal spending by responding to a previous statement by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ,) that in 1994, Republicans took control of Congress to change Washington, but instead Washington changed Republicans and spending got "out of control."

Paul said, "The statement earlier made that we all went to Washington to change Washington, Washington changed us. I don't think that applies to me. Washington did not change me. I would have liked to have changed Washington."

Paul eventually answered a question from Emily in Los Angeles who asked specifically which federal programs the candidates would cut in order to reduce spending.

"By cutting three programs such as the Department of Education, Ronald Reagan used to talk about that, Department of Energy. Department of Homeland Security is the biggest bureaucracy we ever had," Paul said.


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#194246 - 12/07/07 02:06 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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Bryan. Personally I don't care for "premium" coffees, I was just trying to entice someone to help me spread the ideas of freedom.

I have a dirty little secret to confess, I buy Maxwell House, and only when it's on sale.


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#194248 - 12/07/07 02:25 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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It's getting close to time for my annual cup of coffee here.

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#195490 - 12/16/07 09:16 AM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: FormerTexan]
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Pardon a comment from a non-American in this thread.

I have heard and read of things about this person quite a bit, and have seen other Americans I know who seem quite in love with him and his thinking. But it seem to me as that, he is speaking much of 'revolution' that it seem that America as it's whole would not support, would not do, and do not want to hear about?

I do not wish to be to 'generalized' of the culture. But it just seemed to me that many Americans I have meet, that they do not wish to be told what is wrong with their country, that their country is 'broken' and need to be fix. Yes, there are some that do nothing but complain of their country. But it seemed more to me that many, they want someone as president that they can put blame to, but not really have to pay so much attention of what they are doing in the office, and do not need to focus so much to what changes is being made for their country, either good or bad?

And it just seems to me that, although this person speak as he can make so much changes to 'fix' what is wrong in America, that as president, he will not have power to do that? The 'executive' office of American goverment, that is only one of three branches, yes, and do not hold very much unanimous power, that he could do very many things without support of Congress? And I do not think he would get that so much support of Congress, because I just think Democratics would not support him, as he is Republican; but that he is 'radical' enough Republican that even his own party would possibly not support him also?

I think to hear him talk is interesting, even if I do not believe all he have say. But I just do not see how, 'in logistics', he could have the power to effect the changes he speak of if he was to be president. And in that situation, is it not like 'false advertising', and it would make him a deciever like many other politicians?

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#195516 - 12/16/07 12:02 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: ak]
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Andrei,

I think many times, people vest in the office of president powers that he can't possibly have. I've heard so many people blame Bush for the economy, but the president does not govern the economy, nor is it in his power to do so, in the Constitution.

I would not call it false advertising. I would call it a good start. True, a president cannot make the changes needed by himself. Congress must introduce and pass legislation, then the president can approve or veto. However, the president can have addresses with the Congress, and can have national state of the union addresses over television, and effectively get his recommendations across to the point that public opinion can be swayed. Get a good president now, get a good Congress next.

Now if I may get a little more technical: Franklin Roosevelt passed several very bad laws in 1933 which only be reversed by a sitting president: Presidential Proclamations 2038, 2039 and 2040. These are based on a very bad law that amended the 1917 Trading With the Enemy Act, in 1933. This amendment declared the people of the United States the enemy of the US government, and thus granted Congress and the president the power to capture (steal) the people's gold (money). These proclamations were codified in 12 USC section 95b, and gave the president and the secretary of the treasury dictatorial power. Only a sitting president can repeal these proclamations, according to the proclamations themselves.

Where am I going with all this law stuff? I believe Ron Paul will have the integrity to get these very bad and powerful laws off the books, and move us to restored constitutional government. He can also fight against the central bank, a bank which has nothing but corrupt people running it. Our current president and the one before him do not believe in working for the people. They work for others who are bent and determined to break this country and take away the rights we have.

Andy

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#195653 - 12/17/07 12:38 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: FormerTexan]
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This is how it will be reported on Chris Matthews tonight....

"Ron Paul sets the one day fundraising record for any candidate ever. Now on to more important news, will Hillary's hairstyle hurt her campaign. Let's talk to a 5 member panel to talk about her for a half hour."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4008510


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#195687 - 12/17/07 05:46 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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Andy you are very very wrong.

How can you say the president doesn't have control over the Economy? By saying the president has zero control over the economy you are saying that the booming economy of the 90's was because of the conservative congress but then who do we blame the poor economy of the first part of this decade on? your whole statement dosn't make since.

The president dose have power over our economy. To debate if that is constitutional would be another thing.

Next I dont understand what is with some people, you talk about Roosevelt as if he was Darth Vader. he made decisions that i do not agree with, he did things i think were wrong. like Japaneses internment camps during WWII. However we would not be a country if it wasn't for him, he pulled us out of the Great depression (which by the way was caused by the conservative right in the 1920's) then won WWII he is the greatest president to ever live. EVER!

However Ron Paul is clearly a very effective fund raiser. he is very smart i think it is a shame the media is not giving him the attention he deserves. I would love for him to get the republican nomination. that would be fantastic.


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#195702 - 12/17/07 07:13 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: theatrekid]
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theatrekid,

Sorry that my assessment of the law of the land seems to brush against your version of reality. However, I'll be glad to adjust it if you can *show me* where in Article II of the Constitution of the US the president has control or jurisdiction over the economic matters of this nation. Other than his power to accept or veto legislation submitted by Congress, I'm not sure you will be able to find it.

"To debate if that is constitutional would be another thing."

So why not debate it, then? If you feel strongly about your point of view, please back it up with the law. That's what I did with my previous post - I referenced our laws.

As for bestowing sainthood on Roosevelt, I have it evident in official documentation (our federal statutes at large, United States Code, and US Senate reports) that the man would hand power over to Darth Vader on a silver platter if given the opportunity. He did not save our country. He followed the rules set forth by the bankers of his time.

You need to look a bit deeper to see who controls the economy. Constitution aside, remember Alan Greenspan? He's no longer the Fed chairman, but people would always say that if Greenspan so much as coughed, Wall Street would slide. It's Ben Bernanke today. The chairman of the Fed wields more power over the economy than any sitting president. Why? Because the central bank indeed controls the economy. Even the father of the central bank, Rothschild, knew this. It is Fed policy that runs our economy. Our US president, past or present, has no say in Fed policy.

"which by the way was caused by the conservative right in the 1920's"

This is incorrect. The trouble was ultimately caused by a reduction in the money supply. Banks refused loans to people and businesses. This caused a reduction in the money supply as other loans were repaid. Gold was at this point removed from circulation by that saint Roosevelt, so there was no gold to compete against the federal reserve notes. There was only silver now.

Instead of blaming your natural enemy, the "conservative," focus your energy on the real problem in our economy: an unaccountable central bank that thumbs its nose at Congress while siphoning off our money as interest payments to enrich private stockholders. Yes, the Fed is a private corporation - Lewis versus United States, 1982.

Ron Paul opposes the Fed. I'm voting for him. I'm glad we agree on his candidacy.



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#195792 - 12/18/07 10:48 AM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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Every time I hear the fed say that they are going to lower insurance rates to stimulate the economy, I wonder what the inflation hike will do to the money I have saved.

Our economy just seems so....artificial.

Bryan

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#195817 - 12/18/07 03:09 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: BJK]
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Bryan,

I have watched my savings slowly lose more "value" over time. We need to get the heck outta that system.

A

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#195870 - 12/18/07 10:02 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: FormerTexan]
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Andy I am in a hurry right now so i will rewrite a better answer to your questions later, my point was that regardless of what the constitution says, the president dose have control over our economy.

I will reply to the rest tonight or in the morning but i got to go.


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#195961 - 12/19/07 06:05 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: theatrekid]
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Here is a link to a very good article on the banking system, and why Ron Paul is the man for the job...

http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin73.htm

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#196970 - 12/28/07 01:50 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: FormerTexan]
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And perhaps, reasons to not vote for Ron Paul.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/15/124912/740

He is 'endorsed' by David Duke. And even I know who that is.

http://www.davidduke.com/general/ron-pau....html#more-3049

And isn't this rather like buying votes?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/paul-entices-co.html

I am thinking even more to not like this man.

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#197006 - 12/28/07 07:27 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: ak]
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A while back, Michelle Malkin, a reporter with her own blog, reported once on an entertainer. She demonstrated honestly how this entertainer went from pure-hearted to pure crap over a period of her career. To exact revenge upon and smear Michelle Malkin, some periodical at UNC concocted an article about Michelle's alleged hypocrisy on morals, and bolstered their position by submitting a poorly-altered photograph of Malkin wearing a bathing suit and looking rather "loose." Yes, it was Malkin's face, but it was the body of Meredith Chen, a girl whose photo was posted on Flickr. Both Malkin and Chen demanded Wonkette and Gawker Media, both accepting submits from UNC, that the story be corrected with the truth. Both media have ignored both women.

My point with all this? Not everything on the net that is "information" is necessarily true. And, not everyone who speaks truth will escape being smeared one way or another.

David Duke could endorse Jesse Jackson for all I care. It won't change my view of either one.

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#197018 - 12/28/07 08:32 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: FormerTexan]
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The final link sounds to me like Paul is hiring college students to do work for his political campaign. The second link is kind of irrelevant....I really don't care who endorses Paul, it's all about whom Paul endorses.

The first link is pretty damning. As a usenet vet, I can attest to the fact that the document cited is legitimate and quite convincing.

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.african.american/msg/c8668bd3662b0fa5

Paul has some pretty good ideas, but I can't give my vote so a person with such reactionary views on race.

(One thing that really gets me is the term "radical right wing". If I learned one thing in political science and history classes in my youth, it's that in American politics, the term "radical" means extremely liberal.)

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#198175 - 01/06/08 06:40 AM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: BJK]
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Here are some pretty big issues that I do not agree with Mr. Paul on.

-Abortion Rights. Not many people realize that the number of women getting abortions every year has decreased since Roe v. Wade. I have a hard time believing that a being that is incapable of being aware has rights that trump those of a woman.

-Stem Cell Research. Mr. Paul is opposed to embryonic stem cell research, which could put our scientific community back several years while costing thousands of lives.

-Oil Drilling in Alaskan Wildlife Refuge. I do not support many pro-oil causes when alternative energy should be our primary concern.

-Kyoto Accords. Whether one believes in global warming or not, adhering to the Treaty of Kyoto is important for diplomatic reasons alone. Futhermore, global warming is the one area where we simply cannot afford to be wrong.

-Same-Sex Marriage. Mr. Paul is a bigot, plain and simple.

-Racial-Religious Equality. See above.

I can't give this man my political support.

Bryan

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#199040 - 01/11/08 01:22 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: BJK]
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Not to rub anyone's nose in it, but hey, what happened to this guy in NH? He had a huge campaign fund and he was in a state where independently minded candidates like him should have been popular.

There wasn't a word about him in the English or German press, by the way. I had to surf around quite a bit before I could even get the news about how badly he had done.

It looks like, in real terms, he's no viable alternative at all to any of the leading Republican candidates. Soooo ... was it all spin? Just a colossal meltdown? What's up?

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#199045 - 01/11/08 01:45 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: roadrunner]
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To quote a blogger:

"Quite simply, the poor results for Ron Paul can be explained by the phenomena commonly referred to as "sensory overload".
Much like when an inexperienced parent bring their 3 year old child into a toy store for the first time, the result is more often not the joy and wonder anticipated by the parent but the opposite. Never seeing so many choices of bright and overly familiar symbols of comfort, junior can't handle the overwhelming choices of promised happiness and soon reverts to the default action that has always given satisfying results: a crying jag and/or the tantrum.
A quick choice now must be made by the person in charge here, the parent figure, which will inevitably be to offer nearest comforting icon available, the reassuringly familiar Disney caricature or the basely satisfying Cheet-O.
The voters in New Hampshire, while certainly not children but nevertheless having had to confront a plethora of ready-made plasticity, homogeneous row after row of promised happiness, reacted in similar fashion at this overblown birthday party, requiring their inner parent to make a bee line for the most familiar comfort object in sight."


To sum up this this mans assertion. The American people want bread and circuses. They can't handle the truth of the way the American Government has behaved since the beginning of the Spanish American War.

The dollar is swirling around the drain and they just don't "get it" until a loaf of bread costs a million dollars. Dr. Paul is telling it as it is and they simply don't want to believe it.


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#199115 - 01/11/08 09:54 PM Re: Ron Paul Update [Re: Hauser]
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Originally Posted By: Hauser

To sum up this this mans assertion. The American people want bread and circuses. They can't handle the truth of the way the American Government has behaved since the beginning of the Spanish American War.

The dollar is swirling around the drain and they just don't "get it" until a loaf of bread costs a million dollars. Dr. Paul is telling it as it is and they simply don't want to believe it.


I love Americans who get a platform (for instance, a blog) and use it to explain to us all how stupid and naive "the American people" are (except for the blogger himself, of course!).

So Ron Paul got no support because Americans "can't handle the truth". Right. I think the average American is a lot more intelligent than most people with a blog give them credit for.

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