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#180425 - 09/15/07 12:30 PM warning on getting revenge
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http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/neighbors-allegedly-torch-mans-home/20070914175609990001

Neighbors Allegedly Torch Man's Home
By DUNCAN MANSFIELD,AP

HELENWOOD, Tenn. (Sept. 14) - Everybody in this little mountain community knew that Timothy Carl Chandler had been arrested on child pornography charges. It was in the newspaper and all over the TV news.

Melissa Chandler of Helenwood, Tenn., died in a Sept. 2 home fire set soon after her husband, Timothy, was arrested on child porn charges. He escaped. "I really wish it wasn't me who got out," Timothy Chandler said.
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Two of Chandler's neighbors decided to do something about it, police say. They're accused of trying to scare him off by setting fire to his tiny house tucked away in a hardscrabble Appalachian hollow.

Chandler, 53, escaped from the flames. But his wife was killed in what authorities are calling an example of vigilante justice.

"I really wish it wasn't me who got out," Chandler told Knoxville television station WBIR. "I wish it was her. She didn't deserve that."

Robert "Bobby" Bell, a 37-year-old construction worker, and Gary Lamar Sellers, a 39-year-old coal-mining equipment mechanic, are jailed on $1 million bond, charged with first-degree murder and arson.

After losing all his possessions in the Sept. 2 fire, Chandler was living in a Knoxville homeless shelter. His attorney, public defender Larry Bryant, said Chandler expects to enter a plea next month to charges he downloaded more than 100 pornographic pictures of young girls.

His mother-in-law found some of the pictures on a disk he had given her to copy computer programs in May. She tipped off police, and Chandler was arrested Aug. 20. Released on $100,000 bond, he came home a few days before the fire.

Sellers and Bell told police they did not intend for anyone to die. They just wanted to get Timothy Chandler out of the neighborhood because he was "a pervert," Chief Deputy Bill Lane said.

Sellers admitted driving the pickup truck used that night, but he claimed Bell set the fire, according to an affidavit. After lighting the blaze, the pair "drove to a close location where both men watched the residence burn."

Bell "feels like it was a very unfortunate incident, just like everybody else," said his court-appointed lawyer, Lief Jeffers. "This was not anything that was intended by any of the parties."

Sellers' attorney Jimmy Logan did not return a call for comment.

The fire is one of many examples of suspected vigilantism against sex offenders, ranging from harassment and arson to more violent crimes. A Nova Scotia man used Maine's sex offender registry last year to find and fatally shoot two registered sex offenders. Two convicted child rapists were killed in Washington state.

Helenwood, some 15 miles south of the Kentucky border, is a mountain community of about 800 people with an average household income of $17,700 - less than half the state average.

The Chandlers and both suspects all lived on Butler Lane, a twisting one-lane country road that runs past small fields, weathered houses, outbuildings and trailers, and rusting farm machinery. Homes are clustered so closely together that neighbors can keep an eye on each other from their back porch swings.

Oma Butler lives on a hill overlooking the now-charred one-bedroom home, which she rented to the Chandlers. She knows everyone involved and blamed the fire on a combination of alcohol, drugs and "no sense."

The Chandlers were a little secretive, Butler recalled, and covered their windows with plastic bags. But they were good renters for nearly eight years.

"They have always been real nice to me," she said. Timothy "seemed the happiest guy when I would see him."

Records indicate Chandler served 18 months in prison in Ohio for a 1990 conviction for gross sexual imposition, which typically involves fondling. But he's had no problems since.

Bell and Sellers have had frequent run-ins with the law over relatively minor offenses, including drinking and driving on a revoked license.

Detective Don Laxton said several people were "hollering names and so forth" outside the Chandlers' house a few hours before the fire began.

Butler didn't think anything of the noise then, but awoke later to the sound of a truck spinning its wheels "like it was in a deep mud hole." She saw the red pickup drive to a nearby hill, park and turn off its lights.

Soon after, her son came running in. "Mom, mom, the house is on fire!" he yelled. The house's porch "was burning from one end to the other. It was a-flaming," she said.

Her son ran to the house. He smashed a window to get Chandler out. Then they broke open a door so Chandler could race inside for his wife. She was unconscious when Chandler brought her out. He tried CPR, but Melissa "Missy" Chandler, 37, died at the emergency room.


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#180427 - 09/15/07 12:48 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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Revenge, at first though sweet, Bitter ere long back on itself recoils -- John Milton



Edited by jacobtk (09/15/07 12:49 PM)
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#180532 - 09/16/07 03:05 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: jacobtk]
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people are crazy.


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#180576 - 09/16/07 11:39 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: theatrekid]
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i dunno tk. there have been lost of guys in here who have cooked up crazy ass things to do to their perp. this is no different.. just took a wrong turn.


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#180580 - 09/16/07 12:11 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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i feel sorry for the wife but this article seems to be about feeling sorry for the no good son of a bitch she chose to live with ,oh my hes living in a homeless shelter,break my fuckinh heart! maybe just maybe if they woulda locked his ass up forever the first time this wouldnt have happened ?one more vote for stronger sentences for sick bastards. what happened sucks and no way is it right but ,i will not feel sorry for this pig .

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#180621 - 09/16/07 04:35 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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Not particularly any pity for him, but I do feel sorry for her. Yeah, she made a bad decision to marry the guy, but perhaps she didn't even know about his problems till he was arrested. Who knows?

Certainly she didn't deserve to burn to death because of it, which brings up the point I think Jarrad is making and that is for us to use some common sense regarding our reactions to abuse and abusers. Vigilantism got these two guys in a lot of deep water which they're gonna end up regretting the rest of their lives.

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#180623 - 09/16/07 04:47 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: WalkingSouth]
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wow. im surprised at reactions. he is still a human.


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#180628 - 09/16/07 05:08 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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what makes you say that?

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#180629 - 09/16/07 05:09 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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human? he was convicted once right?

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#180665 - 09/16/07 07:42 PM Re: warning on getting revenge *DELETED* [Re: shadowkid]
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#180701 - 09/17/07 12:28 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: MarkK]
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shadow, no one deserves to die regardless of what they have done. and in this case, he didnt die, his wife did. i am not okay with that. i am not okay with people deciding to kill someone just because they are angry at him.

btw, you are always super angry. how do you get by day to day?


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#180711 - 09/17/07 02:19 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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im not ok with it either i never said anyone deserved to die , how can you tell me that someone who rapes a child is human? no. basic human instinct tells us that is wrong .its our humanity that seperates us from the animals not our intelligence.perps lack that one thing that seperates us ,to me they are less than animals cause even an animal wont do that to its young . my point was if the bleeding heart shitheads that think perps can be reformed would stay the hell out of it this guy might stil have been in prison where he belonged ,if you wanna look at it in a linear fashion the blame can be traced directly back to what he did ! hang the bastards that killed his wife too!but his sick obsseion created all that followed it . i get by by flipping off assholes on the highway and taking my 9 mm out and shooting target pratice ,yes i imagine the targets are my perp ,

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#180713 - 09/17/07 02:40 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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I agree with shadow kid, but with one new point.

Throw THE FUCKER BACK INTO THE FIRE............


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#180739 - 09/17/07 09:47 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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"Bell and Sellers have had frequent run-ins with the law over relatively minor offenses, including drinking and driving on a revoked license. "

Relatively minor offenses? I wouldn't call drinking and driving on a revoked license a minor offense. Sounds like this writer is editorializing here.

What if, on one of their drunken joy rides, Bell and Sellers killed a little boy or girl? Would that be a lesser or greater offense than the "gross sexual imposition" that Chandler served time for?

I agree with Mark that vigilante tactics aren't the answer. -Darren

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#180747 - 09/17/07 10:08 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Darren]
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i think that the neighbors overreacted WAY too much. i think it is the neighbors who are fucked up way more than the perp. i think that torching someones house is not normal behavior. i dont care whose house it is. under no circumstances do you take someones life in your own hands because you are pissed off at them.


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#180750 - 09/17/07 10:11 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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I would kill for my children. period


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#180753 - 09/17/07 10:19 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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yes, this is part of the problem with the Scarlet letter wegive perps... Anybody who wants to can seek them outand do things like this. So innocent bystanders get hurt, or inthis case killed, which is tragic. It's the downside of having a searchable database that offenders have to register with -- a pretty big downside. -Darren

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#180762 - 09/17/07 10:56 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: healingpartner]
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I would kill for my children. period


In my eyes, there is a difference between killing to protect one's children (which I agree with), and killing out of revenge for what was done for one's children.

This is a tough subject, one that I have refrained from posting about, simply because someone like Adam has ever right in the world to feel every bit of rage he feels towards perps. The desire for revenge is one of the most normal human emotions there is.

However, in my most humble opinion, acting on that desire for revenge is the most evil of all human actions.

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#180772 - 09/17/07 12:09 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: BJK]
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gross sexual imposition,since when is that typical? and it typicaly only involves fondling?im not surprised that the low life bastard ran out and left his wife inside. none of what happened is right ,the neighbors should hang from the same tree as the perp. mark my comment was not aimed at you in any way,as for rehab for perps ,if you believe it works so well,i dont know if you have kids but i think the first test of your position on rehab ,should be to let your children spend time alone with the newly rehabilitated perp,if your gonna preach it you better be ready to accept what happens . maybe it seems i missed the point here but i think everyone else did to ,an innocent women died here thats the point ,yet the article was used as a way to show that vigilantisim is a horrible thing ,and i in turn focused on the perp . maybe we all missed the point huh? also it says the perp has been fine since his conviction ,not surprising he's just been quietly sitiing in his low income house ,which by the way people like you and me who work for a living pay for ,downloading pics of little girls ,yeah model citizen huh?rehab works huh? how did he get out but she didnt?i have to assume they were in the same room,although he did prefer little girls so maybe they dont sleep together. OR maybe he just happened to have his pc closer to the exit,so when the fire started he just had to print that last pic of a 5 year old girl instead of waking his wife.

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#180775 - 09/17/07 12:30 PM Re: warning on getting revenge *DELETED* [Re: shadowkid]
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#180778 - 09/17/07 12:40 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: MarkK]
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thats why most perps have hundreds of victims. ten years in prison for molesting little boys ?sounds so innocent when its put that way.you think ten years is enough for what he did ,?jesus h christ you could be talking to his victims right here on this site! i'm very worried about your kids,every fucking perp that got away with it was somebody that people KNEW! EVERY PERP IS SOMEONE THAT SOMEBODY THOUGHT THEY KNEW.

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#180779 - 09/17/07 12:43 PM Re: warning on getting revenge *DELETED* [Re: shadowkid]
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#180787 - 09/17/07 01:26 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: MarkK]
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mark ,im angry ,im not proud of that but its a fact , please understand that im not attacking you and much of the anger that comes out is anger at myself not at you. i would never question your love for your kids ,mark you have responded to my posts with kindness and compassion ,im sorry if in my anger i offended you ,seems i been doing that to a lot of people lately. i know im wrong ,i know its eating me up inside i just dont know how to stop it and the hurt 11 year old inside me dont understand anything except that hes hurting and everybody says hes not to blame but nobody tells him who is to blame so he blames everybody . please mark i know your a good person and if i hurt your fellings then im no better than some low life perp myself ,you see i feel the same way about me maybe they should hang me up beside the perp and the killers .

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#180793 - 09/17/07 02:00 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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I feel sorry - for the woman that died. I also feel sorry for the families of the killers, who have been damaged because of what those men decided to do.

In this entire sorry debacle, that's the limit of my empathy.

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#180800 - 09/17/07 02:38 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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Adam,

I know you're angry at yourself, and you have a good reason for it. How about taking some time to try to forgive yourself? I know that's not going to be easy, but I think your brother would forgive you.

After seeing the life you've lived and the person you've become, I know I would.

Bryan

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#180848 - 09/17/07 10:01 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: BJK]
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adam, as i said before. you are so fucking angry dude. i dont know how you deal with everyday life. like really im interested. how are you not in jail yourself? im not trying to be mean you are just soooooo angry.


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#180856 - 09/18/07 12:11 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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i dont wanna hijack this post ,jarrad if you check the test, post of mine ,thats one reason im angry that pic was taken over a year after my abuse ended ,my face still isnt healed ,the dark area on the left side of my head is where they rebuilt my eye socket. i could go on but yep im mad ,and i have been in jail myself. grew up in detention and foster. seems like you got some anger of your own to ,right ?if the subject is something you feel strongly about you dont pull piunches ,thats for sure lol

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#180861 - 09/18/07 12:18 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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on the original topic it just seems the article is written to make people feel sorry for the perp husband ! hes homeless ,brief history of his life and even though his history is horrible ,its geard t make people feel sorry for him ,the wife died ,,but the whole friggin piece was about the shitbag husband ,hell did they even give her name? who was she? no room in the story for who she was and what her life was like ,did the interview her mom or dad ? no its all about the poor perp being harrased ,i think the whole damn thing is an insult to the wife and her family

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#180912 - 09/18/07 09:01 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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Guys,

Let's step back from this and think about what it is we're doing here. Do we really need to feed on each other on this site? Tear each other down in anger? How does that serve our healing or the healing of our friends we are venting on?

Do we have a right to express our opinion? Yes.
Is it right for us to tear the other guy apart for his? Probably not even if we do disagree.

I'm not saying we need to stop the discussion, but let's take the flames out of it. It serves none of us and can only serve to hurt.

John

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#180924 - 09/18/07 09:38 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: WalkingSouth]
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im not tearing anyone apart. i just really dont know how he functions with that much anger. its just something i am very curious about. and its my post so cany you hyjack your own post?

anyway... shadow, i do see your point but i dont think you see mine. yes the article makes everyone feel sorry for the perp. but come on.. what happen is really tragic regardless if he is a perp or not.


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#180927 - 09/18/07 10:51 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: MarkK]
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The saddest thing about this is that two more famalies will be destroyed - the Bells and the Sellers. I can't imagine setting fire to someones house because I thought I had the right to protect and I had all the facts. Vigilante justice is WRONG!



Edited by kellygtx (09/18/07 10:52 AM)
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#180928 - 09/18/07 11:02 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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i feel sorry for the wife but this article seems to be about feeling sorry for the no good son of a bitch she chose to live with ,oh my hes living in a homeless shelter,break my fuckinh heart! maybe just maybe if they woulda locked his ass up forever the first time this wouldnt have happened ?one more vote for stronger sentences for sick bastards. what happened sucks and no way is it right but ,i will not feel sorry for this pig .


Part of the problem is we have a penal system designed to punish and not to rehabilitate. We have more people in prison then any other industrialized nation. Why?? One reason is we have ridiculous laws that fill our prisons with non-violent drug offenders. And before anyone says anything I am not advocating drug use - just makes no sense to criminalize it. We can't build prisons fast enough --- while schools and after care programs go begging for funding. So if we are going to lock people up - and I don't oppose that - lets make sure we have the room and that we address the underlying cause of the problem.

I am not a pedophile - but being the victim of one does, I think, give me a right to my two cents worth. I have spent $50k of my own money on therapy this year - I say that only to point out that most people do not have the resources to get help if they want it. No money, no help. And don't look to your insurance company to provide mental health care - it will be pennies on the dollar under most plans.

My real point is we continue to address the symptoms of the disease without addressing the disease itself. And that - like vigilante justice - will leave only more problems.



Edited by kellygtx (09/18/07 11:22 AM)
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#181640 - 09/21/07 07:41 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: kellygtx]
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i missed the last posts on this and since it is jarrads post i wanted to respond , i agree wth jarrad i think we have had a really calm discussion here . no attacks that i can see . nowhere in my responses did i say this was not tragic or that setting fire to his house was anything but insane ,jarrad is that the kind of anger you think i have?to me it is just as curious that lots of guys dont seem to be angry at all ,with their perps or anybody else. now some of those guys are far enough in healing that maybe they worked through the anger ,but i think lots of guys deny the anger cause being angry means there has to be a vaild reason ,the abuse , to be this angry i got to be totaly honest ,with myself ,i got to admit ,yes i was sexualy abused period .no well maybe i deserved it ,or maybe i liked it ,no indecision ,i got sexualy abused . i got fooled ,i got trapped ,i got fucked .period. anger is about the only honest emotion i have you know? when im pissed off ,im NOT PRETENDING, im not smiling cause thats what people expect ,im not laughing cause i want to fit in , al that shit is just the mask ,the face i put on so i can function out there. i gotta ask how can you not be angry? my anger is under control most of the time. yes i been in two incidents where i got violent ,both times somebody hit or tried to hit a kid like right in front of me .and if i wasnt angry when i got there well it damn sure didnt take long to get me angry ,dont feel like i did anything wrong either time . after my grans funeral i sat in my truck and my perp walked by about ten feet away smiling at me i had a loaded 357 mag in the glove box . my anger shouldnt scare you .

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#181723 - 09/22/07 02:16 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: MarkK]
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shadow, i dont think that you would torch anyone's house. that's not in your character. could you toarch your perps house? based on some of the comments you have made on the site then maybe if you were provoked enough. i know anger in natural. but i also think too much anger isnt healthy and i worry about you that your levels of anger are extreme. this could be because this is the place where you can vent it all and i only see that side of you not the side that pets cute puppies. and i do get angry. i get angry about a lot of things. but overall i wouldnt call myself an "angry person." based soley on your comments here, i would call you an "angry person." and that makes me curious about you. thats all.


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#181729 - 09/22/07 02:41 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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why shouldnt i be angry? at the funeral he whispered the same thing to me ,your still the best f -k i ever had. i coulda shot him but i didnt. would i like to hurt him ?yep could i ?nope . thats why the anger is so hard cause i dont know what to do with it ,but i aint givin it up . its mine its justified and no its not helping me heal but thats ok . but if i tell who im really angry at it starts a shit storm everytime. god did this to me ,he created the animal that did this to me ,he put me in a cage with an animal then just walked away . and said if you believe it will be ok ,guess i just didnt believe enough huh? i trusted god and god let me down ,dont think there is anything worse that having faith and being shown its a joke ,a fairy tale like santa and the tooth fairy. i grew up afetr that i dont believe in fairy tales anymore and i think you need anger to survive out there otherwise you just keep getting stepped on over and over . i tried to show you jarrad the side that pets cute puppies ,and i got pushed away . by your anger i think . i cant just be best buds over night i think it was?

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#181730 - 09/22/07 02:43 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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i think this is a good discussion ,hope nobody thinks its a fight ,its not its people trying to understand people and thats what its supposed to be right?

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#181745 - 09/22/07 05:23 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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shadow, i think you have a right to be angry. everyone does. and i totally get it when you say that you are angry but you dont know what to do with it. that makes sense and now i understand. just be careful not to displace it toward the wrong things. and yeah haha i did give you shit for showing your puppy petting self, but that was one time. cause i was pissy. i just think its really interesting how you and i are very simmilar in our experiences but we deal in two totally different ways. im not saying im right or your right. i just think its interesting.


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#181755 - 09/22/07 06:01 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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Oh God, not another one of of those softy-touchy-feely get-along "we'll just agree to disagree" threads. What's WITH you guys anyway? I want to see some effing FUR flying!

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#181759 - 09/22/07 06:08 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: melliferal]
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Originally Posted By: melliferal
I want to see some effing FUR flying!


As long as it's not the cute puppies' fur....

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#181763 - 09/22/07 06:18 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: BJK]
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Right, or kittens. No puppies' or kittens' fur.

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#181767 - 09/22/07 06:49 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: melliferal]
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well how about if i say my way is to say fuck everybody and jarrads way is to just fuck everybody? hope you still got your sense of humor lol.

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#181769 - 09/22/07 07:14 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: shadowkid]
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haha im down with fucking everyone. well.. maybe not furry puppies. or girls.


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#182023 - 09/24/07 08:52 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: BJK]
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Men -

You are all pretty sick dudes and need help! ROFL



Edited by kellygtx (09/24/07 08:53 AM)
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#182053 - 09/24/07 10:43 AM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: kellygtx]
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Keep it clean you guys......................ACT YOUR AGES

Wait, I said this before somewhere else too didn't I? Oh well.


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#183550 - 09/30/07 12:27 PM Re: warning on getting revenge *DELETED* [Re: Hauser]
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#183557 - 09/30/07 01:54 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: nicky]
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hauser, we are acting our age \:\)


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#183561 - 09/30/07 02:08 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: Jarrad]
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I'm too old to be acting my age.

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#183643 - 09/30/07 09:32 PM Re: warning on getting revenge [Re: melliferal]
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I prefer to act alot younger than my age....its alot more fun!!!

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