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#179322 - 09/09/07 06:03 PM My new hero
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#179325 - 09/09/07 06:22 PM Re: My new hero [Re: Hauser]
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The man has alot of good talking points but his policies dont work.

He is the type of person who would be very interesting to talk with becuase he brings alot of great ideas to the table but overall i personaly could never vote for him.

,Chris


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#179329 - 09/09/07 06:51 PM Re: My new hero [Re: theatrekid]
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ahhh a dissenter. Thank you for your reply though. \:\(

Chris? Quick question? Have you ever had a job yet? Just curious if you ever looked at a pay-check stub and noticed how much your own money that they don't allow you to keep.

Oh, and I'll tell you this: There WILL be some replies here that applaud what Dr. Paul has to say as well, and you'll notice that MOST of them are older than you. I'm not saying you have to be old to be wise though \:\)

One last thing Chris?

I would suggest that Dr. Paul's policies are exactly what got us through the first 120 years of our country.......and made us the greatest country on this planet, until the advent of the Spanish American War, (our first interventionist war) and all it's unintended consequences, but I won't go there.


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#179330 - 09/09/07 07:00 PM Re: My new hero [Re: Hauser]
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Ron Paul sounds nice, but the problem I see is that, if he's elected, he'll be put in charge of a country that has made promises to other countries, promises that ought to be considered binding. It's all well and good to say "I'll make the US more introverted and less interventionist", but the fact is we've got obligations, like them or not - and simply breaking promises will not be good for us, long term. If Mr. Paul becomes president, I hope he'll understand the responsibility.

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#179333 - 09/09/07 07:14 PM Re: My new hero [Re: melliferal]
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What promises? The promise to defend Japan? The promise to defend South Korea? The promise to defend Isreal? The promise to defend Western Europe? The promise to..........NO MORE PROMISES \:\)


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#179335 - 09/09/07 07:17 PM Re: My new hero [Re: Hauser]
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Right...we've overextended ourselves, certainly; but unless the other countries we've treatised say it's OK, we can't just break deals. That would be bad. Bad U.S.!

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#179342 - 09/09/07 07:47 PM Re: My new hero [Re: melliferal]
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Then I say get him in office, and have him fulfill those deals. Then they will be all said and done. We really a constitutionalist. Paul is the guy. I personally do not feel we've had a good president since Andrew Jackson.

Yes, I know. Can open.....worms everywhere.....



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#179345 - 09/09/07 08:14 PM Re: My new hero [Re: FormerTexan]
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Well, he seem to have ability to speak what is the 'popular' thing to say. That make him a politician I guess.

Andrei


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#179352 - 09/09/07 08:50 PM Re: My new hero [Re: ak]
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Indeed. If he's good, that's great - but I'm wary of all politicians. Especially the ones that claim to be different from all the others.



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#179357 - 09/09/07 09:05 PM Re: My new hero [Re: melliferal]
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In 2001, I was vocally quite opposed to our invasion of Iraq (whether there were WMD's there or not). The reasons I was opposed are exactly the reasons we are facing today. I knew it wouldn't be a cakewalk, and I knew that American resolve is only strong as long as Americans can remained convinced that the right decision was made. So, I knew that we would eventually end up pulling out before the job was done, and that leaves me in an impossible situation. Since I didn't want to go to war in Iraq because I was afraid of what would happen if we gave up before the war was done, what possible solution can I come up with to fix this grave error? In all honesty, I don't see a way out.

At the same time, I supported, and still support, the invasion of Afghanistan.

So that leads me to believe that even though Ron Paul puts a perspective that is needed on this issue, I do not think he is the right man for the job of being president. I also noticed that the last time the Republican party invoked a tax cut, I wasn't effected in the slightest.

So, in essence, I don't really trust any politician. I especially don't trust any Republicans.

To me, the biggest issue is his stance on religion. Is he a secularist? If he's not, I won't even remotely consider giving him my vote.

Bryan

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#179359 - 09/09/07 09:14 PM Re: My new hero [Re: BJK]
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I also love Ron Paul. I don't want to get into a discussion because I know it's controversial but I wish Americans paid more attention to what he says. If more folks understood what he is saying, there'd be real change in this country.
~Raul

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#179374 - 09/09/07 10:44 PM Re: My new hero [Re: Hauser]
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oh boy oh boy

yes i have had a job before and yes i have seen just how much money is taken out of my pay check.

Can i ask you a question?

do you like having roads to drive on? Sewers to take your shit away? Help for the less fortunate?

Do not try and tell me that these things would be taken care of any other way than by our goverment.

You question my age as if me being only 18 would mean i have not experienced enough in this world to understand politics.

I have said my self on here more than once that i am just a kid and have alot to learn.... but politics is not a subject i am uninformed or misguided in.

The first 120 years of this countries history was filled with bigotry and hate.

Do you seriously believe that the first half of our countries history was seriously the golden days?

It wasnt because of peoples policies like Ron Paul's that made us great. it was because of the policies of truly great men like FDR who brought this country together and made us the super power we are today.

Ron Paul is a fanatic. some one like him is to far to one direction for this reason it is my opinion that he would make an awful leader to this country.

He believes fighting the civil war was wrong. his argument being other countries didnt need to fight a war to end slavery so why should we?

SO what it freed the slaves. it is sad it came to war (and yes i believe Lincolns reasons for freeing the slaves were not as moral as most think)but so what it ended slavery in our country.

I am a peaceful person i think the war in Iraq was a huge mistake i think people who support any invasion like the situation we are now in are a little off.

As i told you before the guy has some good points. but the man dosnt have what it takes to be a president.

you call me a dissenter. DAMN RIGHT!!! dissenters are what make this country great. the people willing to stand up and say hang on a second. are the people that this country needs so badly...

I feel it is every Americans Civic duty to stand up and speak out. but it is also our duty to respect another persons views.

Hauser next time you post something political on here and some one disagrees with you please i ask you to instead of dismissing that persons views as being to young or naive, please take a second and try to appreciate their ideas

Then build a constructive argument as to why you disagree with them.

i dont mean to seem hostile i just love to talk politics. i look forward to your reply

,Chris


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#179398 - 09/10/07 08:42 AM Re: My new hero [Re: theatrekid]
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i want a guy who is interested in the war against child abuse ,dont hear that discussed much in politics do ya? heh they wouldnt want to embarass by making that part of their campaign,terrorists are scary but they are not living next door ,like pink floyd said [a place where everyone has recourse to the law, and no one kills the children anymore]. lets talk about longer sentences, no second or third chances . none of these guys got the balls to stand up for the children .

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#179408 - 09/10/07 09:34 AM Re: My new hero [Re: BJK]
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I totally agree with BJK - I will not vote for anyone who is not a secularist.

Don't get me wrong, they can have thier beliefs, just don't legislate your beliefs. to quote a shirt I saw 'Rapture is not an exit strategy'. Hopefully we can put an end to the control of the "religous right" and I use the term 'religous' very loosley.

If I don't think a politician strongly supports the separation of church and state -they will not get my vote.

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#179414 - 09/10/07 10:01 AM Re: My new hero [Re: kellygtx]
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Chris,

Interesting response. That's what I like. Debating in an informed way. I'm interested in discussing Ron Paul if you are.

I find it interesting that he is the only Republican candidate that is not repeating the same old stories the other guys are. Romney's comments about "doubling Guantamano" are simply ridiculuous he man macho stuff. Well actually the only other one that makes sense in this sepcific issue is McCain who actually knows what he's talking about. The attitude of people like Romney and Giulanni are not only pathetic, but troublesome. We should be worried about people like them rallying voters based on such premises.

Another of Ron Paul's issues is regarding the Federal Reserve and taxation. That's a whole topic that requires careful consideration. With the current problems regarding subprime mortgages, it's a very relevant topic but I don't hear the other candidates going even near this one.

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#179416 - 09/10/07 10:17 AM Re: My new hero [Re: rcm]
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It's all good Chris, I'm just trying to give this guy some exposure, (this isn't the only place that bring him up).

I have a different view of government's role in our lives, and how we as a country should be engaging in the affairs of other nations that we share this planet with. But I won't spend my time trying to convince you to see things differently, you had your chance already! \:\)

Child abuse.............yeah.........that's not a popular issue with the voters. But I I don't think the President is supposed to have anything to do with personal/family issues.






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#179420 - 09/10/07 11:19 AM Re: My new hero [Re: Hauser]
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It is my own personal opinion that no single candidate can be everything to everybody. What if you have a candidate that has five strikes in his favor, but one strike against them, and that one strike is so weighty that you dismiss the candidate? Then there went the five good things about him, right out the window, and they could be what the nation needs.

I agree with Alan, in that there are some issues that should be left to the states to handle, and the office of president should concentrate on those issues outlined in the federal constitution only. Whether he is deist, secularist, or whatever, I'm interested in someone who will take the powers granted them by the federal constitution seriously, and will adhere only to those outlined in the federal constitution. I don't want someone who will promise the greatest largesse from the federal treasury, or someone who will promise meds for seniors, etc.

I can name specific nation-damaging executive orders that have riders in them saying only the president can repeal them, which is a crock, but reality nonetheless. I believe Ron Paul is the man for that job.

Andy

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#179445 - 09/10/07 01:53 PM Re: My new hero [Re: FormerTexan]
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saw the gretest bumper sticker today:

Under the republicans, man exploits man.
Under the democrats, it's just the opposite.


i'm still searching for the "right person" for the job. just sometimes it feels like it doesn't matter - maybe it's part of my abuse speaking - maybe it's just i've seen too many broken political promises. there are things about Ron Paul that are commendable ... maybe it really is finding the "least of all evils"

M


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