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#174140 - 08/18/07 03:48 PM Re: To Catch a Predator - Rolling Stone Mag [Re: shadowkid]
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nope
doing nothing is not the way, doing it in a different way is though
now all we need is a different way


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#174147 - 08/18/07 05:03 PM Re: To Catch a Predator - Rolling Stone Mag *DELETED* [Re: hideout]
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#174149 - 08/18/07 05:13 PM Re: To Catch a Predator - Rolling Stone Mag [Re: BJK]
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i have one last thing to say on this topic

how are you supposed to prevent abuse in households if kids are afraid to talk and nobody wants to admit they want to or have done it.


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#174157 - 08/18/07 05:46 PM Re: To Catch a Predator - Rolling Stone Mag [Re: jacobtk]
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Originally Posted By: jacobtk
Again, I am not in the habit of taking the words of those whose job it is to deceive and lie.


I agree completely...but I am guess we would disagree who it is. I say it is the perps


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#174178 - 08/18/07 07:22 PM Re: To Catch a Predator - Rolling Stone Mag [Re: shadowkid]
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Originally Posted By: shadowkid
i guess doing nothing is the way huh? ever heard of bikers against abuse? another vigilante group ,but they dont use dception they go to the abusers home and kick his ass! yeah 20 big bikers show up to have a talk with the abuser . seems to be real effective. but maybe cause we got hurt it gives us a right to just do nothing.


As we are all aware of, violence is hardly a demonstration in courage or integrity. I think the difference in our opinions is based on the difference of our experiences. While I experienced violence, I also experienced a lot of deception and manipulation. It was never clear how I should behave, who I should trust or why I should do anything I was told because everything would eventually get turned into some kind of fault. Lies were told with no apparent reason, even to the extent of my father convincing my brother that his mother was dead when she was not.

So one can imagine that when a person or a group says that they lie, trick and deceive to elicit the responses they want I would not be inclined to trust that person or group. I am unwilling to resort to using the behaviors I grew up with, the behaviors I know can lead to mistakes and false claims, just because those they are applied against are not particularly liked.

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#174289 - 08/19/07 11:23 AM Re: To Catch a Predator - Rolling Stone Mag [Re: jacobtk]
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jacob thanks k? i can totaly understand how you feel . and i cant argue with that ever . sorry if i came on strong ,maybe its just the feeling of being helpless to do anything to stop the pain and knowing that it happens to a kid somewhere everynight .

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#174500 - 08/20/07 12:36 PM Re: To Catch a Predator - Rolling Stone Mag [Re: roadrunner]
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Larry, I agree with everything you said, except point # 2...

Originally Posted By: roadrunner

2. This program seems to create predators, judging from the fact that most of the guys who are caught are men with no criminal record of any kind. The show goads and baits guys into making the arrangements to meet, pressures them if they falter, and then exposes them and gets them sent to jail. But what is the net gain to society in such a case? Nothing. A predator is not the guy who has unhealthy thoughts, but the one who acts on those thoughts. If the guy's action was provoked by the show, then when they nail the guy all they are doing is harvesting a crop of their own creation.


It's the part about predators acting on their unhealthy thoughts. Well, these guys did act on their urges. Even if it was a trap, someone who would do this kind of thing would do it for real if the opportunity arose. I know it's a drop in the bucket, and not altogether altruistic, but it IS something...

Just my thoughts,

Ric

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#174565 - 08/20/07 09:30 PM Re: To Catch a Predator - Rolling Stone Mag [Re: Lazarus]
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i cant stay away from this post , think about what really happens on the shows ,these guys never did have contact with a 13 year old ,so they probably cant be charged for that ,maybe for sending porn over the net ,some fines and probation ,BUT they are exposed ! their sick stuff is exposed for everybody to see ,now their neighbors know ,now everybody in town knows ,people will look at them different ,shy away from them ,treat them like outcasts .does any of that stuff sound familier? yeah its exactly what happens to victims that come forward ,seems kinda like poetic justice to me ,feel sorry for them cause they got trapped? seems like thats exactly how kids get perped . its cool to protect peoples rights ,but dont lose sight of whose rights your fighting for ,also maybe cause they got trapped ,a search warrent for their house finds kid porn?or a kid in the closet .these guys aint getting life for showing up .but they sure wont be hiding anymore . cant see the downside here .

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#174590 - 08/20/07 10:58 PM Re: To Catch a Predator - Rolling Stone Mag [Re: shadowkid]
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Originally Posted By: shadowkid
its cool to protect peoples rights ,but dont lose sight of whose rights your fighting for


If people's rights are worth protecting, then it should not matter who the person is. However, if one is allowed to choose whose rights one will protect or disregard, then technically one cannot find fault with those who disregard the rights of children.

One must always be careful not to project one's personal experiences onto other situations. Every situation is different, as are the people involved, and it is unfair to place upon them responsibility for acts they have not done. Or as my uncle would put, what you think you know and there is to know are two different things.

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#174601 - 08/21/07 12:05 AM Re: To Catch a Predator - Rolling Stone Mag [Re: jacobtk]
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when you agree to have sex with a 13 year old ?you give up those rights . it is a fact that they solicited sex from what they believed was a 13 year old.

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