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#16285 - 01/26/04 10:59 PM I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Bill_1965 Offline
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Registered: 06/29/03
Posts: 1983
Loc: Flint, Michigan
I have just found out that I am a uncaring selfish f弾r that only comes here to patronize all you that are here to better yourself.

I apologize if that is what I have been doing. To all those I have responded to your posts, I am sorry if I patronized you.

Humbly,
Bill

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#16286 - 01/26/04 11:07 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
rolling_is_life Offline
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Registered: 10/16/02
Posts: 53
Loc: Olympia, Washington
Juh? I think not bill.u seem fine to me. Maybe ur brain is playing tricks on u once again.

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#16287 - 01/26/04 11:20 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Yves Offline
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Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 93
Loc: Canada
Bill, you can't possibly be serious?!?! You have done so much for me, but not once have you ever patronized me, nor have I seen you do it to anyone else. Give your head a shake, my good man, you're fine, just fine. (((((((((bill)))))))))

~Yves

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#16288 - 01/26/04 11:21 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
scarman Offline
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Registered: 01/09/04
Posts: 74
Loc: London On Canada
Humble Bill, if someone has given you this impression. they are the one who is "not right". I'm not going to blame them, because they may just be going through a hard time, but please don't take it personally!! You are a caring man, who helps many other men here with your kind words. I'm sure that if you were to meet anyone of us face to face, it would be with warm caring eyes as well. Please Bill, you have to know that you are a good man. I am always happy to see that you've replied to my posts, please continue to do so with the same caring thoughtfullness you've done in the past.

I hope you can realize this as you go to sleep tonight.

shawn :rolleyes:

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#16289 - 01/26/04 11:26 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
rolling_is_life Offline
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Registered: 10/16/02
Posts: 53
Loc: Olympia, Washington
No. I challenge who ever made that idiotic statement to be a man and show them selfs here. Because Bill has helped me very much on here. and has become one of my favorite ppl to converse with wether it be light funny topics..or when I really need someone to vent to and give intelligent responses. Who ever you are. you need to see who ur issues are hurting because you dont know bill or are just ignorant. I think bill can be sarcastic..*a more intelligent form of humor then some I see* and one I use alot as well. So if ur just ignorant and dont know /understand what bill was sayin sometime. dont make stupid comments like this, and make no mistake who ever said that you said somthing very moronic.

(>^_^)> Bill \:D

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#16290 - 01/26/04 11:43 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Nathan LaChine Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 5381
Loc: Washington State
Bill,

You are one of the most loving and caring people I know. You have helped me sort out my issues many a nights. The person who said those hurtful words does not truly know you at all. Sometimes people say things when they are in pain and they dont mean it or know what they said. Please, please BIll know that alot of us here know you as who your truly are a loving and caring man.

lots of love, Nathan


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#16291 - 01/26/04 11:55 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Lucky Offline
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Registered: 07/28/01
Posts: 6
Loc: NC
Bill,

I don't know what's going on. I have only been in this room for a couple of weeks, but since I have been here you have been very kind. I am not trying to pass judgement on anyone...and I have no idea what all occurred, but it seems like a whole lot of drama. I am sorry you were apart of whatever happened. I thank you for listening when I need to talk and being a contributing member to the chat room. I hope whatever occured to make you feel this way, the situation rectifies itself.

Lucky...


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#16292 - 01/27/04 12:02 AM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
jimrh Offline
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Registered: 03/22/03
Posts: 273
Loc: Roswell, GA
Lucky, you got it right, not even Bill knows what's going on and it is ALL DRAMA. This whole site is NOTHING BUT DRAMA.


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#16293 - 01/27/04 12:12 AM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Bill_1965 Offline
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Registered: 06/29/03
Posts: 1983
Loc: Flint, Michigan
Jim,

This wonderful site isn't about drama, it's about coping, dealing, and understanding our SA and how it affects us and the ones around us. It's about getting help dealing with it and helping others along the way.

If you want drama, join the local theater.

Bill

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#16294 - 01/27/04 12:21 AM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
jimrh Offline
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Registered: 03/22/03
Posts: 273
Loc: Roswell, GA
Your drama is astounding Bill, so why should I go to a local theatre, I can sit here and watch your antics!

You are FUNNY!@


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#16295 - 01/27/04 12:27 AM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
rolling_is_life Offline
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Registered: 10/16/02
Posts: 53
Loc: Olympia, Washington
Well jim you seem to be alone in ur thoughts. and I dont think we are all patronizing bill now are we? maybe u need to re think your outlook on things in fact id strongly suggest it. Iv never seen u here b4 but iv seen bill on everynight being a nice guy.

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#16296 - 01/27/04 03:48 AM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Em Offline
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Registered: 01/19/04
Posts: 38
Loc: North East Ohio
Bill,

I've just begun to be a part of this site. You've replied to at least a couple of my posts. You've given me very solid, thoutful, caring and most importantly helpful advice and comment. For what it's worth, it's been very appreciated.

Thank you and please keep posting. I think you have helped and will continue to help many gentlemen.


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#16297 - 01/27/04 07:25 AM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
ak Offline
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Posts: 1491
If someone give you reason to think this, maybe this place is not so friendly or safe as we like. Andrei


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#16298 - 01/27/04 07:32 AM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
jimrh Offline
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Registered: 03/22/03
Posts: 273
Loc: Roswell, GA
Proof that there are some outstanding reasons why the chat room should be closed.

Bill you have vented and taken a statement that I made completely out of context. You are, as I said earlier, dramatically funny. Keep it up man!


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#16299 - 01/27/04 10:17 AM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
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Registered: 04/13/02
Posts: 1332
Loc: Wyoming
Bill,
You and I have talked many times in the chat room and I've never felt you have been anything but a kind and caring person. Please dont let one brother upset you. ((((((bill))))))))))
James

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#16300 - 01/27/04 10:57 AM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Mike Church Offline
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Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 3439
Loc: Toronto, Canada
Bill do no let the perceptions of one person cause you all this anguish. You are a good man and have helped everyone here is a very positive way. You stick with us Brother OK!!!! ;\)

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#16301 - 01/27/04 12:12 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Bill_1965 Offline
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Registered: 06/29/03
Posts: 1983
Loc: Flint, Michigan
Andrei,

This site is a good and safe place. I hope this incident does not frighten you away. We need you to continue to come and continue to heal. I hope that you will continue to write, either by post, PM, IM, or e-mail, I enjoy hearing from you.

We all need to set our personal boundaries and rememeber to keep true to them. Keep ourselves safe. I didn't, and by reaching out I got my outlook on life and emotions trampled on. This is not the norm, rather the exception. I know now of a one place not to extend my hand.

Take care Anderi,
Bill

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#16302 - 01/27/04 12:16 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Bill_1965 Offline
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Registered: 06/29/03
Posts: 1983
Loc: Flint, Michigan
Thank you, Keith, Yves, Shawn, Nathan, Lucky, Em, James, Mikey, Theo, Pollyanna and anyone I missed.

I appreciate the good words and sentiments that you have conveyed to and of me.

Thank you,
Bill

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#16303 - 01/27/04 12:22 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Tribear Offline
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Registered: 11/09/03
Posts: 66
Loc: USA
Hi Bill,

I haven't visited for a while, so I don't know exactly what's going on.

But I can tell you you've never given me a rough time, nor have I seen you do it to anyone else. Maybe you would if you got pushed hard enough, but that is true for most people.

You seem real down on yourself right now, and even this thread seems to reveal there are some hecklers deliberately feeding into that. It seems that all forums and message boards have hecklers.

I've found you to be good company. I hope your self talk gets more friendly. And ignore hecklers if you can, they're not worth the effort.

Regards,

Tribear


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#16304 - 01/27/04 12:45 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
IrishKipley Offline
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Registered: 09/17/03
Posts: 45
Loc: Eastern US
Bill

your advice always seems genuine and sincere to me. you do lots of good to everyone here.

Kip


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#16305 - 01/27/04 12:56 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Tribear Offline
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Registered: 11/09/03
Posts: 66
Loc: USA
Quote:
Originally posted by jimrh:
This whole site is NOTHING BUT DRAMA.
Jim,

Human drama? Mostly.

Bogus drama? Not so, period.

Man, who p'd in your Wheaties??

You've been around here for a while based on the number of times you've posted, but your comment reads like that of a troll. Why are you insulting this SITE with your comment, when it's the last safe harbor for many?

If you're just having a rotten day, can you snap out of it? It will help all here, including you.

But if you've really decided the drama here is excessive or frivolous, I think it's time you found another place to lurk. Many people here are fighting for their lives. That includes me.

If you must hurl insults, they'd be better suited for a monster truck forum, where lives are not at stake.

And I don't play posting wars, so don't waste your time.

Seriously,

Tb


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#16306 - 01/27/04 05:13 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
rolling_is_life Offline
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Registered: 10/16/02
Posts: 53
Loc: Olympia, Washington
Yes bill I will bluntly state what everyone else seemd to mean. Dont let one man who seemd to as elegantly and hilariously put got his "wheaties P'd in" Because he's is one person who doesn't know you. People who do think very differntly.

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"Live fast, die young, leave a great looking corpse" -Ronny Van Zant

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#16307 - 01/27/04 05:19 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
lee75 Offline
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Registered: 01/26/04
Posts: 37
Loc: utah
ive read some of your posts. they are kind and caring. dont let one #$#$#r put you down. from what i understand we are here to lift up and help eachother.
hugs

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#16308 - 01/27/04 05:25 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
rolling_is_life Offline
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Posts: 53
Loc: Olympia, Washington
(>^.^)>'s from zork3000 *insidejoke*

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"Live fast, die young, leave a great looking corpse" -Ronny Van Zant

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#16309 - 01/27/04 05:34 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
survive75 Offline
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Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 304
Loc: Massachusetts
Bill... you are always sincere and helpful. Stay true to yourself. You have helped me many times over. Thank you.

-Sean

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"Even though I know/I don稚 want to know/Yeah I guess I know/I just hate how it sounds"

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#16310 - 01/27/04 05:59 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
crisispoint Offline
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Registered: 09/24/03
Posts: 2154
Loc: Massachusetts
Bill,

You're one of the good ones, never doubt it.

After all, you're trying to remind ME to be civil! You know, the Peacemaker? The one who's gone all ballistic on the @$$es who've decided to shut down the chat room.

Seriously, thank you for YOUR civility. You remind me that we need to be civil.

Peace (really!)

Scot

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#16311 - 01/27/04 07:11 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Bill_1965 Offline
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Registered: 06/29/03
Posts: 1983
Loc: Flint, Michigan
Thank you all for you kind words,

I was very hurt by the things that were said at me. They hit at my very core, my core beliefs. To be unselfish, to be caring, to be polite, to help those that need help, and be true to myself.

I know that I am doing a fair job living up to those beliefs, although the statements last night did make me fail at the last one, to be true to myself.

Thanks again for the show of support, you guys (and gals) are the best,
Bill

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#16312 - 01/27/04 07:24 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Lloydy Offline
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Registered: 04/17/02
Posts: 7071
Loc: England Shropshire
Bill
you're one of the good guys, thanks

Dave ;\)

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#16313 - 01/27/04 07:58 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
markgreyblue Offline
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Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 5400
Loc: Pasadena, CA
bill - you have been such a wonderful support to me and everyone -
you are not a bad guy - please be happy in knowing that you have helped us - and been a leader -

leadership is not patronizing - you have been essential and so valuable to my healing -

i know the others here have agreed -

big hug - markgrey blue

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#16314 - 01/27/04 09:12 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
jimrh Offline
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Registered: 03/22/03
Posts: 273
Loc: Roswell, GA
Ok guys,

I would like to first apologize to everyone who was in the chat room last night and endured my verbal attacks; they were uncalled for and completely unwarranted.

Second, Bill, I am sorry that you feel hurt and I can appreciate the help that you've given to those here that need it. Clearly all the posts here are a testament to your contributions to the victims here, your values and your beliefs.

Bill, I have no excuse for my angry words but I guess that at the moment last night, some triggers went off for me given that I'm going through some tough challenges on the home front with my 2nd divorce hearing today. Again I sincerely apologize to you and to everyone else who I have offended.

Bill, I offer my hand in apology and friendship and hope that we can bury the hatchet here in support of continued healing and in support of our community...malesurvivor.org

Peace.


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#16315 - 01/27/04 09:21 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
The Dean Offline
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Registered: 07/15/02
Posts: 2080
Loc: Milwaukee, WI
Men, please remember that attacking a member here by name is basis for some form of disciplinary ban.

Abusing others just happens to not be permitted here, and will not be tolerated.

Roland, at times we all need someone to hear our anguish. Thank you for doing that.

When we are really hurting so that is it almost unbearable, that is the time to call your therapist. If you do not have one or cannot do that, then contact someone who can listen to your hurt without being hurt themselves.

Peace be with all of us.

Bob

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#16316 - 01/28/04 09:56 AM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
michael Joseph Offline
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Registered: 03/11/01
Posts: 2719
Loc: Virginia
Bill you are not like that at all. You are a very caring Father. I consider you a friend.

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#16317 - 01/29/04 01:44 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Texas_Mike Offline
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Registered: 01/17/04
Posts: 135
Loc: San Antonio, Texas-The Lone-St...
Bill,


Your a strong guy------You have put up with so much shit in your life------ this is just another hurdle, my friend . Forward-jump!!

And thanks for all the great advice and time you provide.

Your a great guy and I consider you a friend for just being here. Sometimes the brothers get out of line. Move forward and be positive.

Passion, excitement, and confidence are the important medicines that you need everyday.


Best,

Mike

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Best,
"The Desert Runner" Mike

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#16318 - 01/29/04 04:14 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Leosha Offline
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Registered: 06/18/03
Posts: 3614
Loc: Right here
Jimrh,

well, I was going to call you an 'asyol' (jackass), until I saw that you offer such a nice apology. Bill, I have always found you kind, generous and helpful, and you helped me and my friend greatly recently. I will always find you to be a great asset to this site and the members here. Jimrh, I was not present in chat room, but I do know that we all make mistakes, even some that will greatly hurt another. But if the apology is sincere, we can hopefully work things out to become greater asset to each other. I hope that you and Bill can work things out. Good luck.

Leosha

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#16319 - 01/29/04 07:59 PM Re: I知 sorry for being a uncaring selfish f*@%$r
Bill_1965 Offline
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Registered: 06/29/03
Posts: 1983
Loc: Flint, Michigan
Thank you all for your words of support. I am sorry that I have caused some issue here with this.

I took something personally that was not meant as such. A fellow brother was having a bad day and letting off some steam, and that is all that it was. I took it wrong and I apologize for the ruckus it has caused and I hold no ill feelings towards my brother.

Bless you all,
Bill

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