Goddamit this pisses me off. I'm a fucking member of this organization. Does no one have any desency anymore that the people who are there to protect our friggen rights are destroying them too?

I hope Tierney burns in hell forever. Rat bastard!

http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=6600382&nav=menu368_2

It is disappointing that someone who used to be president of the ACLU would use child porn. I am a member of that org as well and all I can say is that there are people in leadership positions of all sorts who have a dark side that the public doesn't know about.

Think of the minister who engaged in sexual relations and used drugs supplied by the male escort he bought while preaching against homosexuality (and presumably against drugs). His name escapes me now, but there are so many examples of human failings.

I guess we have to distance ourselves from the fallen leader and the organization. I will still support the mission of ACLU but am saddened by the disgrace of a leader.

Ken

I'm not renewing my membership. Maybe I'm over reacting, maybe not. Their mission is good, but I'm not sending money to an organization where they have people like that running the place.

I've had so many issues with trust lately and I thought I was getting better with them all and I read this story on Google News and...I guess this kind of shit just hit's me a little too close to home. I have 0 tolerance for people who have kid porn and would beat the life out of someone for making it. I just can't handle that shit.

As disgusting as this is- it is not a first for this organization which seems to have a bit of an ugly past regarding this issue- especially in Florida.

I stopped supporting this organization 10 years ago because of similar issues where two judges had gotten caught with child porn on their computers in there (court) offices- they received nothing more than a pat on the wrist and the ACLU refused to look into the situation when a child's rights group demanded an investigation.

The ACLU for whatever reason seems to draw child predators and their enablers. As a rule predators often will hide in the church and other "pillar of the community" organizations.

My guess is they will receive either favor or can go on almost indefinitely because of the guise these organizations provide. Its the perfect cover. Running around acting noble and doing seemingly noble things causes the suspicions to be quelled and only investigated with hard evidence.

Its a sad and disgusting fact.

I didn't know they had such a past.

That makes me sick. Why can't people just do the right thing and stop being so freaking selfish?

Anywhere there are poeple, you'll have people-problems. Stop trusting organizations that are run by people to be anything other fallible.

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There will always be people who use there great power to do secret bad things but to get mad at the organization that trusted him to give him the power could be a mistake. I mean Mark foley or what ever his name is the congress man who abused teenage pages as sick as he was when we found out about it we didnt give up hope in our goverment. we voted the sick bastards out of office. i think to stop being a memeber of a group only fuels the fire instead we should work to fix it. however i am still upset by that some one in the ACLU could be this way.

I guess that if you condemn Congress because Mark Foley was a congressman, or blast the Republican party because Foley was one of them, would be the same as condemning the ACLU because a past president of a state chapter used child pornography.

If an organization fails to condemn the errant member or makes excuses for him, then maybe censure or withdrawal of funds may be the answer.

I still support the ACLU because they do a lot of good work to protect the basic liberties we have under the Constitution. A few years ago, the president of the Red Cross was found to have boosted his salary to an obscene level. I waited to see if the organization was going to protect him once the word got out. He was canned and I felt better that the organization took appropriate measures.

It's important to look at the bigger picture. Theatrekid is right, in my opinion, that it doesn't make sense to condemn the organization for what a member or officer does in private. This kind of behavior can shame or embarass the organization but it doesn't mean the organization itself deserves your scorn.

Ken

I dunno, I guess the way that I look at it is different.

I dunno what to think. I just know that I've had some unique experiences in my life that might make me more pissed off about this stuff than others.

I'm not renewing my membership because I can't trust that the person I send my money to for membership dues is not taking that money and buying kid porn with it. Makes me sick just thinking about it.

Here are some interesting facts that seem lead that there are far more incidents and convictions we never hear about. I have asked an internet researcher friend of mine- who told me in every one of these cases the ACLU refused to answer specific questions as to why they would not investigate or become involved when activists and advocates demanded investigation into the allegations, convictions and open charges regarding the following individuals below.

She is also doing some extensive research on private companies, entities and organizations who have also been denied support from the ACLU when some pretty big stuff was about to blow open.

I will post them when I get them. The above was taken from the wall street journal, which is now being sold to Rupert Murdoch- so its doubtful this thread can be researched as the story is being buried during the sale....Interesting eh?

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BREAKING NEWS: EVIDENCE NOW EMERGING THAT THE CONSERVATIVE WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ON THE FAST TRACK AS A HAVEN FOR SEXUAL PERVERTS AND OTHER SCOUNDRELS?
Author: Pundit
Category: Uncategorized

GOP PERVERT HALL OF SHAME NOW CONTAINS OVER FIFTY FIVE NAMES

A RECOVERING LIBERAL EXCLUSIVE Last week’s arrest of the fourth highest person in the vaunted Department of Homeland Security, Brian Doyle, brought back memories of other notable folks on the right who preached the Good Book but were really, really bad boys. You remember them, guys like Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggert who never flinched at taking their flocks’ money but somehow managed to use at least part of it for some sweet young stuff.

That got me thinking about other Republican holier than thou folks who might be in the same boat. I asked a friend to do a bit of research on that subject, and here is the list that he put together;

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich of Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania pled no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo of Floyd County, Kentucky was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins of Asbury Park, New Jersey pled guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker of Nashua, New Hampshire is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury, Connecticut is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8 and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor John Gosek of Oswego, New York was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz of Richland County, Ohio pled guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican Speaker of the Puerto Rico House of Representatives Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain of Monroe County, Pennsylvania was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth of Kannapolis, N.C., is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader of Witchita, Kansas pled guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency of Camden, New Jersey pled guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge of Soputhbay, California was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz of Des Moines, Iowa, who George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble of New London, Connecticut pled no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer of Arizona was charged with molesting his 9-year old step daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. and Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence both of Washington, D.C. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens of Columbus, Ohio was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio of Burke, Virginia was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen of Colorado Springs. Colorado was convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney of El Paso County, Arizona pled guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane of Illinois had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition and South Carolina Republican leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline of Orange County, California was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman of Maryland was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman and attorney Jeffrey Patti of Sparta, New Jersey was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman of Florida (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD. It was Glickman, interestingly enough, that claimed Bill Clinton came from a low rent state and had torn down all of the standards for the highest office in the land.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks of Quartz Hill, California was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway who had relocated to Maine from Huntsville, Alabama after having been accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White of West Chester, Pennsylvania, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston, Texas pled guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling of Anderson, Indiana was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram of Thurston County, Washington pled guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan of St. Louis, Missouri was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr, also of St. Louis, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland of Kingsport, Tennessee was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt of Pensacola, Florida was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs of Hawaii County, Hawaii pled guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler of Cass County, Illinois was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner of Clark County, Nevada admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner of Lancaster, Pennsylvania was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter of Boothbay, Maine pled guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. of Wrightsville Borough, Delaware pled no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall of Virginia was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris of West Bend, Wisconsin, who has been described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo of Bakersfield, California molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp, Russell Harding, pled guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen, Sr. of Kalispell, Montana, was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.

These are all matters of public record, not hearsay. They have been reported in both the local press where the incidents occurred and in various national media. The perverts in question have come from all over the country. Their major similarity is that they are Republican Conservative Christian activists who have made their mark by preaching family values while performing unspeakable acts of perversion, many with minors.

So much for family values from the religious right. Now, I am not saying that there aren’t a few pervs who call themselves Democrats, but, somehow, these holier than thou arsh luchs (you can look it up, it’s Yiddish for a**holes) are true and certain hypocrites along with being perverts.

When a political party presents itself as the party of the righteous, whether it is The Republican Party or the Shiite Party in Iraq, or for that matter some members of the various Chasidic sects, you can be absolutely certain that there is something being hidden under all of that religious pomp. Consider the child molestation scandals that have rocked The Roman Catholic Church over the past few years, and you will realize that this problem covers a broad range of people.

However, when you consider the number of Republican members of the religious right/anti choice crowd that have been arrested and sentenced for these perverse acts with children, you come to realize that in their place, at least, religion and conservative politics are truly the hiding places of perverts and scoundrels, perhaps in larger numbers than anywhere else in our country.

Or as Gomer Pyle might have put it, “Surprise, Surprise!”

You can go one by one and find the public files which confirm everyone of these stories!

And for every predator arrested there are many who are yet to be caught.

Republican this, and Republican that.

May I point out that the Democrat party is just as filthy, made up of the same type of people running for an office they don't deserve. The only difference I see is in the reporting by the liberal press. What they don't report is that since the Democrat party has no standards, they don't have as far to fall in the public eye.

Summary = people Suck!

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In my pathetically limited experience, political debates (on nearly ANY possible topic) are best avoided among people who want to get along. I know many, many people who would (quite literally) cross an empty street to avoid each other, for no other reason than because they disagree on how well/badly Political Personality X is handling whatever it is he's handling. Same thing with religious discussion, come to think of it.

Yes democrats are just as filthy- but oddly fewer have been convicted much less charged- however it does take away from the fact that it is most likely going on.

The republicans mentioned in the post are all card carrying ACLU members...did I forget to mention it? Well the ACLU has a member list on line. You can look it up for yourselves.

FT,

I agree with you about the report being one-sided. It's that way for a reason, though. The reason is that the GOP makes itself out to be the defenders of morality and the party of God. The blatant hypocrisy of it is what turned it into a story. The Wall Street Journal is nobody's liberal rag. I expect that very soon, though, someone will come up with a similar list for Democrats. And well they should. Child molesters should have their foul deeds exposed to the light of day, regardless of who they are.

BTW, it's the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. Democrat, unlike Republican, is a noun and not an adjective.

Guys- I am Libertarian. The main reason is due to the fact that I believe the Dems and Repubs do the same bidding. They are both full of it. Dems just try to make it sound like their doing something for the people (talk, talk, talk).

I actually have slightly more respect for Republicans because at least they are more upfront about their nefarious ways and elitist attitudes.

I do hope they publish a list of Democratic cretins... I really do. All those liars on both sides will rot in eternity. As soon as I get a list- I will post it here.

Philo:
Can you give us the citation from the Wall Street Journal that this article appeared? I cannot believe that this publication, a primarily Republican and conservative journal would publish something like this.

Please give us the link on WSJ to the article.

If the Republicans listed on the article are "card carrying members of ACLU" I'd like some attribution to that as well. I doubt that most, if any, of them are actual members of ACLU.

Let's act on fact rather than opinion or rumor.

Ken

ACLU membership list's can be found through extensive searching, as can most truthful information- Government officials are scrambling like crazy to censor and monitor the internet- even citing last ditch efforts to "rebuild it"- yeah right. The net works just fine.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2007-04-15-rebuilding-the-net_N.htm

Anyway, back to you Ken:

The ACLU memberships are private and so therefore I cannot post it here because I could get into trouble and/or be held liable even if I didn't generate it. However you can Google or (meta crawl) and do your own research. It can be found with some effort.

As far as the Wall Street Journal is concern, I will not give up my confidence because it would jeopardize her as a journalist. As discussed, the article in questioned was buried during the buyout talks. It was not published....Yet.

And btw, these are FACTS. With a little dudiligence and research not only can the names be verified on known lists, but each case case can be verified as well.

It is common knowledge that the ACLU continues to this day to represent several organizations including NAMBLA:

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2000/08/38540

They also represent several internet kiddie porn producers, and with a little more research on anyones part- you find a link to a link to a link that will verify numerous reasons to not support this hippocratic organization:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=4248

Here's a link that will lead to another- upon further research (sorry, I just can't spoon feed you everything- you will have to learn to feed yourself) you will find that the ACLU is even farther entrenched in this California State....Mishap if you will.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53070

This link will show just how fucked up the Democrats are. In all fairness, I had to post this- again, this link shall lead to more and you will find as I have that neither side is better or worse than the other. Both parties are filled to the brims with some of the most vile and repulsive LEADERS our world has ever seen.

If it were not for the advent of the Internet, most people would never know this.

You can read my cousin's book and find out just how screwed the news media is:

http://www.jeffcohen.org/

Or you can try my nephew, Jay Adelson's website: http://www.digg.com

Jay is quite interesting to say the least:

http://www.digg.com/about/jay

Again this link will lead to another and another- my point is- you will realize that not only is my family incredibly connected, but that I am no slouch when it comes to the Internet.

The information is out there- it just takes a bit of time to begin your research- then the real fun begins.

I am posting this because so many survivors are unaware of what really happening out there in the world and the way it effects us- in how deeply this hideous crap goes.

In the same vain- I cannot give my sources away- especially on here, but if you want a verification- I believe the relatives I have referenced will prove that I am certainly connected enough to get FACTS- not opinion- not rumor- but facts.

Philo:
First you said, "The republicans mentioned in the post are all card carrying ACLU members...did I forget to mention it? Well the ACLU has a member list on line."

Then you said, "The ACLU memberships are private and so therefore I cannot post it here because I could get into trouble and/or be held liable even if I didn't generate it. However you can Google or (meta crawl) and do your own research. It can be found with some effort.

Which is it? Most of us don't have the time or energy to "do your own research". When you or I or anyone else posts something here (or anywhere), we really post our opinions unless backed by fact. Making contradictory statements only confuses people who don't have the knowledge or time to do their own research.

Plus, using the Internet for research has its limitations. If you quote a blog, are you assured that the (usually) solo person writing the blog has been vetted by editors and researchers like legitimate news organizations do? My guess is that the opinions of the gazillion bloggers out there have no established fact checkers, editors or others to be sure the info is legit and accurate.

Many of the opinions you have posted are not backed by fact. Yes, a lot of the Republican miscreants who have turned out to be bad guys are probably backed by legit news gathering organizations as being guilty (at least as far as investigations and perhaps trials) but to make broad sweeping statements that they are "card carrying members" of ACLU strikes me as irresponsible without some documentation.

Are they listed on the membership rolls of ACLU? Can you cite the source?

Let's not get bent out of shape based on rumor or blog info. Let's make informed decisions based on fact.

Ken

PS Years ago, when ACLU defended the rights of neo-Nazis to march in the predominently Jewish city of Skokie, Illinois, there was a hue and cry about them being sympathetic to Nazies. The chief lawyer defending them was Jewish but was representing the principle of free speech, despite the abhorrence of their message. Same with their defense of the KKK in certain situations. I am strongly opposed to both groups but as a civil libertarian, I support their rights under the Constitution of the US to say what they want as long as it does not cause harm to others as defined by the US Supreme Court (free speech does not include the right to cry "Fire" in a crowded theater, etc.)

I agree with you about "free speech" and "free assembly". However, when "Free Assembly" is really about a group getting together to cause harm, hatred and/or bigotry" this is not conducive to freedom.

I believe the ACLU has gone too far over the edge for the face of "freedom". Case in point: NAMBLA. This organization is not about freedom at all- its legalized child abuse- and quite clearly it promotes men whom have considerable influence over boys- and the sanctioned by the freedom flag to perpetrate and molest children.

I seem to recall a while back a sting operation involving this group (NAMBLA) whereby members of this organization gathered to fly to South America and Mexico to meet young boys for the purpose of sex. In other words- this is not a group that simply talks about- they active seek and meet to arrange and organize sexual rendezvous- which is clearly beyond the "free speech" and "free assembly" definitions within in the constitution.

Now, regarding the ACLU and republicans: Many republicans are members of the ACLU for various reasons- probably to gain information for entrapment and other nefarious purposes to thwart ACLU actions- rather than being in real support of the organization. Sort of- keep your friends close- but your enemies closer theory. The ACLU does not seem to mind this and are rather in it for the membership fees- which to me feats the purpose. But then again that is only my thought.

As far as research goes- The ACLU website very clearly and specifically states that the membership list is private and to reprint or publish the information is a violation and could result in civil or criminal prosecution- a common category for which I will not fall into- thereby lending my view- if anyone feels strongly about this issue and subject- that they should conduct their own research.

My sources are not blogs or rumor based- and anyone willing to delve into this matter will find all the information verifiable. Privacy is a thing of the past- which is why with a bit of effort almost everything is available.

I am not in anyway saying "Fire" in a dark theater- I am saying go look for yourself and depending on your interest will dictate the detail of your research.

I officially represent Jeff Cohen (Cable News Confidential) who exposed the bullshit about the news, the reliability of it's content, resources and he did this from the inside (FOX, MSNBC, CNN). Jeff is very well known and nationally respected and shared a news program with Phil Donahue. I utilize many of the same resources. I also represent Benny Dominguez (NBC News Producer and Director- Executive in Charge of Production for Paul Moyers). The advice I get from my clients is- never reveal your sources- but point people in the general direction- thats the only way to avoid litigation. And its terrific advice from a news producer who has won over 15 Emmy Awards.

If someone doesn't have the time and energy to post from a place of genuine concern by an educated opinion- then why post at all. It took me less than 10 minutes to find a member list- and a background investigation service(s)(Intellius and VBack) which I subscribe to verified the criminal case histories with which I referred to previously. Again, the policies which I agreed to in signing up with these investigative serves precludes me from posting the information in public forums.

I reiterate- my connections, associations, and clientèle are highly reputable and they carry extensive backgrounds that substantiate their credibility.

The ACLU is so full of hypocrisy as are both political parties: Democrats and Republicans- and with the advent of the internet- this is rapidly becoming public knowledge and bloggers are merely reflecting this- and it is outrageous- it is this outrage blogging that has become a beacon of truth (yes, as well as, misinformation propaganda- which is ever-present in global media).

The point if to inform yourself. Many people do not know how to disseminate information once they receive it- and their need for spoon-feeding is a major problem that leads to the effectiveness of propaganda- My point has always been and remains to be- if you are interested and have an opinion about something then seek all the formation you can before commenting- thereby you will have an educated opinion. I rely on my resources because they are accurate and have come to depend on this accuracy to better utilize my time and energy.

And FYI, many bloggers out there are using real facts and information from the "inside" and should they reveal who they are- they would not only lose their jobs- but could face jail time and arrest.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE3D61039F936A35757C0A96F958260

By conducting keyword searches through a variety of search engines at the same time- several articles will pop-up. With the link above- take the names and information as cited- which will lead to more information that is often not only shocking- but most Americans who do this easy method will become fascinated with how easy it is to retrieve information. Then of course the question is- How accurate is the NY Times- this is where each person begins to define the source with which to based their fact finding missions on. Then sub>

CB,

"BTW, it's the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. Democrat, unlike Republican, is a noun and not an adjective."

I'm ok with your opinion, but considering there are weightier matters on this board than how I use words, I really don't consider this correction useful.

Getting back to the original post, the ACLU is really just window-dressing here.

I'm not an ACLU member, but I think I can identify somewhat with SoccerKid's sentiment, regarding withdrawing from membership. I was in the Scouts for a while, and I still find myself feeling personally betrayed and revolted whenever a Scout leader gets hauled in for this sort of thing.

But as in those cases, I don't see this guy as being the ACLU's fault - as an organization. I'm sure they weren't aware of his having child porn on his home computer.

Honestly who gives a shit if someone is a republican or a democrat here? People are people and people that video tape and take photos of kids doing shit like that are fucking sick. I don't care who they voted for. I mean does it really matter? Would you really give a shit if the person who abused YOU was a democrat, republican, libertarian or whatever the hell else is out there?

It doesn't matter if it's the ACLU's fault or not. I'm not paying my membership dues anymore because I now know that I can't trust that the person I'm writing to, or sending my due money to isn't spending it on kid porn magazines and web sites! I mean WTF? Who prints that shit anyway?

All I have to say is that this kind of shit really hits me hard. I've been so fucked up lately after reading this stupid article. I know I brought it on myself, but WTF?

No one gets it.

You can keep debating politics now...I don't care anymore.

Soccerkid-

I hear you- the thread got going in all different direction which became about me verify sources to a moderator. Ken and I should have PM'd over that issue.

I agree with you. It seems there is more child abuse within one particular party than the other- at least in criminal prosecution and because the ACLU is supposedly liberal- I got stuck in that hypocrisy loop which tends to add the confusion by their support of the opponent.

I apologize.

No

I apologize for getting so bent out of shape. This was just a hard thing for me to read. It has nothing to do with you or anyone else.

Your fine. I just don't handle stress very well I guess. I just got a job that has insurance, so as soon as it starts I'm finding a doctor that might be able to help me with my anxiety lately. Please forgive me if I'm a little touchy before then.

We are a sensitive lot! I, too am seeking a new therapist. I am at the next stage of my evolution and am ready to move forward. This always adds to the stress- it gets more and more real- change hurts- otherwise everyone would be doing it!

The travesty of what happens today with children- especially by high profile people of supposed moral character- the curtain is lifted and we see they have no morals- in fact they are morally bankrupt. It is not only depressing- but disheartening and it adds to the feeling of hopelessness. Just makes it more difficult to process and accept the unacceptable.

I hope that sonofabitch gets a shitload of prison time!

I hate therapists. Ironic considering my job isn't it?

Anyway...I'm looking for a doctor to give me some anxiety reducing meds. That's all.

He probably won't get prison time, and if he does it will be a small one. I don't get why smoking weed or taking other drugs carries a bigger sentence than that. You know? WTF?

ROFL! Truly inspiring!

Eh...this inspirational message is brought to you in part by:

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Back to the original issue here...

Prosecutors say from March 2005 until October 2006, Rust-Tierney bought at least five sub>

I guess that part of the problem with these sites on the Internet that you can't just "shut them down". You can use them to bust people who are using them illegally (child porn) but there is no central governing organization that will close operations that are politically incorrect or objectionable to people.

In addition, there are governments that do not declare such sites to be illegal and the ownership can be set up or transferred there. At least that's my understnding based on minimal Internet knowledge.

Ken

Ken's right. These sites are probably hosted overseas.

Amazing isn't it? That countries out there "permit" such crap to be online. Makes me sick just thinking about it.

Why do I read the discussion board before I go to bed? I must be stupid.

In some of these countries, child pornography is legal de facto rather than de jure; the countries don't yet have any laws addressing child pornography, therefore they have no authority to arrest perpetrators.

What's truly ironic and moronic is that many countries (Thailand, India, Korea, Japan, Philippines, Prague, Mexico, Russia, China and many more) produce child porn and web host sites that cater to this heinous crap- but by far the largest buyers of kiddie porn and sex slave trade is England and the United States!

I have mentioned this before- but will do so again. There is a movie called, "Human Trafficking" starring Mira Sorvino and Donald Sutherland that specifically deals with a true story and they use factual statistics.

Its an eye opener- the silver lining is that many celebrities have joined a movement to bring awareness and action to stop this horror.

So....where does that leave CSA in those countries? Is CSA then legal as well?

(fearing the answer)

As far as I know (and some countries may be/probably are different), in those places CSA is classified as "sexual assault", on par with adult rape, etc, and is prosecuted as often as it can be; of course, police in these kinds of countries are severely overtaxed so lots of cases slip by.

As a child victim of the making of kiddie porn, I found this most interesting.

Allen

pufferfish

They are everywhere, it is a human problem, and no respector of person or place. There are whole societies, the one we are fighting in Asia right now for one, that have codified and ritualized child rape. It is part of the human condition that hasn't yet been completely bred out but the good guys are winning! More and more people are acknowledging that children are not simply small adults.

Oddly, some of the same countries are involved in the illegal drug "industry".

All of the mentioned countries have strict laws against csa and prostitution of minors. The reason why they don't proscecute is a combination of poverty, sometimes drugs and above all demand and corruption.
Some of the countries are taking steps because they want to get rid of their bad image. It's a slow process but a start is that these countries have signed the Convention on the Rights of Children, which is binding and obliges them to improve the living conditions and legal rights of minors.
The U.S. and Somalia, btw. are the only two countries who haven't ratified this UN convention.
Some of the prime tourist destinations have started to work with police in European countries, so that perpetrators can be proscecuted (sometimes in their country of origin).

This is a gross exageration and stereotype. I don't know how much you know about every single society in Asia and what country you are fighting there, but people are a lot more decent than we think. Having learned a lot about csa I would also dare to say, that we've got plenty of perverts in the homeland.