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#159231 - 05/31/07 12:35 PM Anti-depressants
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Who here has any experience with these types of drugs? What are the advantages? What are the side-effects? Any bad experiences? I'm so "ANTI-CHEMICAL" that I have never allowed myself to consider anything like this to help me. But my wife says I'm showing signs that I am getting further and further depressed.

What do you guys know/think?

-Andrew


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#159260 - 05/31/07 07:06 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: AJC]
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I've tried several different ones in the past. At first they seemed to help, but as time went on I had to take higher and higher dosages to have the same effect. In the end (after a couple years) it seemed like I was getting more depressed. I also gained quite a bit of weight, which made me even more depressed. When I went off the drugs I had major side-effects which later I learned were withdrawal symptoms. I was in bed for 2 weeks just trying to wean myself of them.

Some people say they help, but personally I'm trying other ways to deal with depression. I now am drug free, exercise often, have taken on various interests to take my mind of the bad stuff , and have found a good circle of friends to talk to when I feel the need. This doesn't always work, as I still have depressing days and probably always will. However, I don't think I will ever go back to anti-depressants. However again, some people say they work. I'm just one person.

Scotia


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#159262 - 05/31/07 07:42 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: scotia1]
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Wish I could say otherwise but I had the same negative experiences. Was on citolapram and the doses keep going up, depression kept coming back. So I took the decision, against medical advice, to withdraw myself from them. I wouldn't recommend that either!!

Day at a time again now.

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#159263 - 05/31/07 07:43 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: mark250676]
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aint worth shit

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#159265 - 05/31/07 07:54 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I am currently taking antidepressants .The positive is that they do help somewhat. My depression is nowhere near as severe as it used to be.
The negatives are; they are expensive, some of the side affects are bothersome at times; dry mouth, increased apetite,muscle aches and pains. Drowsiness ( I can fall asleep at the drop of a hat sometimes)
I would never have agreed to taking these medications had I known how hard it is to 'get off' them. I would have sought some other means of treating depression.
They do seem to work miracles for some people. But I feel that I do not have the emotions I used to. It would have to be a pretty traumatic event for me to get 'worked up' about, while taking these drugs.

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#159302 - 06/01/07 03:50 AM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: AJC]
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DEPRESSION is a sign of disconnection, or repression of the soul within. And the best way to reconnect, ot to release this pressure within, is by opening up to the divine.

So, prayer is the best anti-depressant one can ever take. Its fast, effective and it is free.

Love n Light

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#159327 - 06/01/07 10:14 AM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: Morning Star]
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Morning Star....

Its great that you can have an outlook like that, however prayer can not fix a chemical imbalance like depression!

I know without my meds I will have depression and mood swings, no matter how good things are going, no matter well I am deal ing with things. Like I was told in the hospital....some people have to take meds for depression because it is a medical condition just like diabetes. You can not pray away diabetes!!


Not to get rude here man but that kind of advice, to someone who may need medication for depression, is wreckless and dangerous!!!! Please be careful.


AJC...

Please seek the advice of a qualified medical professional!!

Brian

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#159330 - 06/01/07 10:23 AM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: pain4ever]
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i was forced to take zoloft as a condition of my release from detention ,started out with half a pill a day ,going to a whole one after a week , it made the depression worse ,if i had not stopped taking it on my own im not sure id be here now. i told the t that it made me worse and he was so shocked,then i read the paper that came with it and it said it could make depression worse and might make me think about suicide,woulda been a real good idea to tell me that from the start. i agree with you brian prayer sounds like trying to stop a train just by wishing it away.

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#159331 - 06/01/07 10:27 AM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: shadowkid]
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SK,

It may take a bit to find the right meds. Some may make it worse but once the right ones...or combinations or a couple....is found it makes your healing journey so much easier!!!

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#159337 - 06/01/07 10:44 AM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: pain4ever]
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AJC
It all depends on what meds you are talking about. Prozac? Wellbutrin? Zoloft? They are all so different. Some may save your life, others will simply not work or make it worse. But remember, they are just a tool used to fix something. After the washing machine is fixed, you don't need to keep the screwdriver in it. You might need them for a few weeks, months, but rarely ever are these prescribed for a lifetime. Antichemical is good for your environment, but if your body's chemicals are screwed up, then you don't have that luxury. Talk, talk, talk to all your doctors. They will help figure out the dose and drug based on your feelings. I have used Xanax on and off for a week after my dad died. It really helped. All these drugs take the edge off the anxiety, sadness, paranoia, and rushing thoughts. You are then able to fix the problem that caused them by therapy and processing. These drugs do work. You may just have to find the right one for you.
Paul


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#159339 - 06/01/07 10:51 AM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: Paul1959]
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Paul,

Good point, I should have brought up the connunication with your doc more than yelling at Morning Star....I was kind of edged off by his comment.


Its the truth though ....AJC....the more communicative you are with your doc about what you are feeling the easier it is for him to figure out which drug to put you on. Not each and everyone will work the same for each person, so be patient!

Don't avaiod the drugs...they can be the best thing that ever happenned to you!

Brian

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#159346 - 06/01/07 12:49 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: Paul1959]
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Thanks for the input. I'll talk to my doctors, my T, and my wife and make the best decision. Nobody has told me I needed them - I just wondered what some of you had experienced. My wife wondered if they would help me.

I have no idea. I don't even take aspirin for a headache. And my brother is a pharmacist!!!

-Andrew


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#159351 - 06/01/07 01:24 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: pain4ever]
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Brian,

Or so you believe, it is simply the case your belief against mine. First try something yourself, and then you have the right to comment.

Morning Star

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#159352 - 06/01/07 01:32 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: Paul1959]
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I think it would be wise to be cautious when handing out advice about antidepressants. Especially the analogies, which are vague and confusing. It is probably not a good idea to say that taking an antidepressant is like sticking a screwdriver in a machine.

It's a very difficult decision to make because it tends to make us think that the "need" for a medication is proof that we are somehow damaged or inherently flawed. We desperately want to become happy without the use of medication, but what we don't realize is that sometimes we need help to tear down (or see over, climb over, etc.) walls that other people tricked us into building. Now that we are adults, we realize these walls have become impossibly high and we are very sorry we ever built them. We must go easy on ourselves because, as I said earlier, someone tricked us in a terrible and cruel way into building these walls around ourselves so that they can have access to our bodies. These walls seem to be the sort that separate us from a healthy and confident sense of sexuality. But everyone has walls and barriers, you just can't see them until you really get to know people.

In general, I have come to understand the following about three major neurotransmitters:

Serotonin tends to have a soothing effect on the mind, inducing a kind of restful state. It's almost like oiling an engine and suddenly everything runs real smooth.

Norepinephrine tends to speed up the thought process, making things more urgent. Norepinephrine (also called noradrenaline) is the brain's version of adrenaline. Too much and we can freak out!

Dopamine tends to give you confidence and motivation, and also gives you a very powerful feeling when you accomplish something. Dopamine can be converted into norepinephrine in the brain by an enzyme.


I'll share some facts about a few antidepressants that I know.

SSRIs work by helping to block the exit of serotonin from the synapse.

Prozac is considered by many doctors to be safe because it has a long half-life in the body. If a patient decides to stop taking it, there is less of a chance of a "crash" because it takes about a week to clear the system. I suspect this is where they got the idea for "once a week" prozac.

Celexa (Citalopram) is considered to be one of the safest, but I'm not exactly sure why, other than the fact that it does not seem to have any significant interactions with other drugs, or have negative effects on your liver.

Lexapro (Escitalopram, or "S"-citalopram)is basically the same thing as Celexa, except they have gone an extra step by removing the left-handed molecule which appears to be an inactive isomer. For those of you not chemically fluent, celexa is made up of two molecules, and one is the mirror reflection of the other. Their structure, formula, and bonds are all the same, but the two molecules cannot be superimposed on top of each other. It's like looking at someone who's standing next to a mirror, and you can see him and his reflection at the same time. Apparently only one of these is the "real mccoy" and the other is inactive. Remove the inactive "isomer" and you have lexapro. Our brains can typically only use one and not the other. Putting your right glove on your left hand is not going to result in a fit. In my opinion, it's really just a way for the pharmaceutical companies to keep charging ridiculous prices for a drug whose patent has run out. I used to take 10mg lexapro, but switched to 20mg celexa (double the dose now because the inactive is back in) because of the cost. I noticed no change in effect.

SSNRI or selective serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inibitors:

Effexor causes two neurotransmitters to be held in the synapse for a bit longer than normal, serotonin AND norepinephrine. It amps up activity and can make you have anxiety and panic attacks if it's levels get too high.

Cymbalta is similar to effexor but it's change in levels with dose are more linear. To be honest I don't know anyone who has been able to stay on cymbalta without eventually having nasty side effects and having to quit. One person did not experience this but he quit taking it because it was costing him $100 per month.

Wellbutrin is not in either of these categories. It is a dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, and is often taken along with another SSRI drug like celexa to reduce the side effects.

If anyone is interested, I have been on celexa for many years and I recently added another drug to help reduce the slight lethargy, lack of motivation, and reduced sex drive that is caused by increased synaptic serotonin. The second drug causes dopamine to get recycled, and so far (about 6 months) I REALLY like how they are working together. I haven't included it's name here on purpose, my doctor advised against it but I am far, far below the danger dosage.


I hope this is clear and can help someone. I don't mean to discount anything anyone else has said, I'm a bit grouchy today.

Feel free to add, correct, or just bash anything I have said here!



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#159354 - 06/01/07 01:37 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: Morning Star]
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Originally Posted By: Morning Star
Brian,

Or so you believe, it is simply the case your belief against mine. First try something yourself, and then you have the right to comment.

Morning Star

Morning Star....

Your outlook on this nearly cost my life....18 years of that attitude by me and my family and that approach left me to try to kill myself 4 times...so dont preach to me about try it first. I have! I had faith and it didnt work. I was raised in an extremely religous family, my grandfather and most the males in my family were clergy of some sort.


When there is a chemical imbalance no amount of praying can fix that!! Just like no amount of praying can fix diabetes or Epilepsy or any other chronic medical condition.

Now I am not saying this is true in AJC's situation however the prayer approach is ignoring a problem that may need to be addressed.

Prayer does not fix all and to be honest I am sick of hearing...well pray it will get better...because that doesnt always work, just like antidepressants don't always work.


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#159356 - 06/01/07 01:57 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: pain4ever]
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Andrew,

My wife is on Celexa, and I have to say that it has worked great for her. She has been on Lexapro before, too, I think, but I believe switched to Celexa simply because it was what the HMO was covering now. Her moods are much more stable now and she is much less prone to meltdowns than she was in the past.

I have tried several anti-depressants in the past. With the Lexapro and Celexa, I really couldn't tell any difference in my mood. With the Wellbutrin, I had sexual side effects (inability to reach orgasm), so had to get off it (it's actually used as a medication for premature ejaculation by some doctors).

I do take Xanax (actually, generic Alprazolam) now for anxiety, as I need it (like when I have to see my parents).

I think the advice to seek the counsel of your family physician is the right approach. Accurately describe your symptons, ask a lot of comparative questions, etc. Good luck!

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#159357 - 06/01/07 02:05 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: EGL]
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Andrew,

Sorry to get on a rant with Morning Star.

Anyway....I take Welbutrin XL for depression. It helps greatly with keeping my mood "up" and I also take Paxil CR, that helps with my anxiety and keeps my moods level. The welbutrin helps keep my sex drive up.

This combination took the doc probably 8 months to come up with, it is not a quick process but once you get things right it really helps.

And again, you may not be bad enough that you need meds, but talk to your doctor.

Good Luck,
Brian

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#159424 - 06/01/07 10:15 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: pain4ever]
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DO YOU BELONG TO THE CROWD that still believes that there is pill for everything, and you can fix anything by just popping a pill, and look where has the society come to; all popping pills for just about anything and everything, as the chemical industry can surely tell you that, if you've got it, we have a pill for it. And surely, you'd run up and buy it too.

And look despite all the good medicine we can buy, still everyone’s life is falling apart within, silently sometimes secret to themselves as well.

Medicine take you so far away from reality that you never want to make the efforts to heal yourself, as you know popping a pill is far easier than developing patience, reverence or serenity.

Every disease is a chemical imbalance you have been told that the pill can handle chemically, but behind every chemical imbalance lies an energy imbalance that pill can only mask, temporarily and unsuccessfully so. As long as you trust a pill more than your own and spirits ability to heal you, you will never go into its core reason of every ailment- disconnection from the spirit.

That is why people don't heal in this culture as they just want to feel better.

Have you ever wondered why suddenly everybody is on mood elevating pills, to cope with life? And no one has a clue what there soul wants from them. What a waste of human lives...

LIFE IS NOT A QUICK FIX that you can get over the counter, you have to look within for cures of life, to sit still in your dark silences and emptiness and not try to fill those spaces with entertainment of the mind.

For once you have developed enough patience and humility, that is when the answers come.

For a prayer to work to have to learn it from someone who has mastered it, or practiced it successfully, it has nothing to do with being religious by the way.

Indigenous cultures across the globe have been using spirit medicine for ages now, and successfully so. As it is all about spirit connection, and there is nothing that the spirit cannot cure, mind, body let alone human spirit.

Once we reconnect with our spirit, rest everything falls into place. Till then we just keep running trying to achieve everything at the physical level, not ever accessing our spiritual side that can make things work instantly and magnanimously.

You know so much about your self chemically, but have you ever try to know yourself, in what lies beneath it all, at the level of spirit, and energy. That is where energy or spirit medicine comes in, and it has cured people for millennia, and not just alleviate the symptoms.

Spirit goes to the root of an ailment as only it can, really speaking, otherwise people think just because the symptoms have been silenced enough chemically, they have cure, and sure enough the disease returned, relapses, as the underlying ‘dis-ease’ rarely gets addressed. Every disease is born out of a ‘dis-ease’ within, fix the dis-ease and you fix the disease automatically, as it is only a symptom after all...

That way every disease can be used as an excellent guide to cure your soul, that is why mystics for centuries have used the darkness of their depression to switch on their inner light.

ONCE PILLS HAVE FAILED PEOPLE, and doctors have given up, they turn to prayer or to the spirit any way.

Though why not do it before that, and give it the same faith; you give to your chemist, right now.

That is why at the end of life, it is the spirit you have to turn to when nothing works to fix you. There is no pill, for the emptiness you feel inside. That something science will never be able to offer you, and thankfully so.

So when you really want to heal in life, bend your knees and look upwards and within, till such time, go ahead pop a pill, at least as long as you think it is working.

Though, you can always add a prayer to your pill.


MS


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#159429 - 06/01/07 10:23 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: Morning Star]
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Quote:

Every disease is born out of a ‘dis-ease’ within, fix the dis-ease and you fix the disease automatically


I really don't believe all those children in Africa with AIDS have a "disease" that is really a "dis-ease".

In light of that, I find your post rather offensive.



Edited by EGL (06/01/07 10:53 PM)
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#159430 - 06/01/07 10:25 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: Morning Star]
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Andrew,

I think the best thing for you to do is consult your doctor and follow his/her advice. A qualified physician is essential, since the results need to be monitored to see if the drug or combination of drugs is working for you. It can be frustrating at first, because you may not get the results you need and the meds and dosages may need to be changed.

My experience is that it's worth it in the end. I'm on Celexa and at first I hated it - I felt like I was floating an inch off the floor. But in a week or so I settled down and it has helped me a lot.

Much love,
Larry

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#159433 - 06/01/07 10:41 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: roadrunner]
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Guys,

Lets remember to be civil to each other while we discuss these issues. This topic comes up from time to time and we need to allow each other to express legitimate opinions in a non confrontational way without fear of angry or disparaging response.

John

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#159443 - 06/01/07 11:22 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: WalkingSouth]
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I'm a believer in both the spirit and in chemistry. Part of my belief system is that my higher power has provided me the tools to take care of myself through various means, be they spiritual or manmade. A combination of the two works for me.

I take Welbutrin because I have a chemical imbalance in my brain, and I ask my higher power for help with other things. The Welbutrin keeps me more or less at an even keel, or a stable baseline. I still have swings around that, but my basic mood is much higher than it was when I was taking other meds or no meds at all.

What it boils down to is different things work for different folks. It's a matter of experience that tells us what is right for us, what is right for us isn't necessarily right for anyone else, and nothing is right for everyone.



Edited by Dewey2k (06/01/07 11:23 PM)

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#159445 - 06/01/07 11:50 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: Dewey2k]
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Originally Posted By: Morning Star
Medicine take you so far away from reality that you never want to make the efforts to heal yourself, as you know popping a pill is far easier than developing patience, reverence or serenity.


Morning Star, this comment strikes me as rather judgmental. I don't understand how you can know this with respect to everyone, or even with respect to anyone other than yourself. Even the term, "popping a pill" is a pejorative one. I understand that you have strong feelings about this, but so do people who take different positions on the issue. I am truly glad you have found a way to overcome depression without medication, but not everybody can or will have your experience.

What I know about myself is that taking antidepressant medication is what keeps me stable enough to work on healing myself. It's what allows me to develop patience, reverence, and serenity. I think I have those in good measure, and I take Wellbutrin XL and Celexa -- not because I want to, but because I have to. That said, I also believe that my work on healing has helped me more in learning to be happy than my meds have. But that does not discredit the medication. Depression is an insidious disease, and taking away people's medication can create deeper depressions and lead to suicide. Please be careful about disparaging the use of antidepressant medication, as many people need it simply to survive.

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#159461 - 06/02/07 11:29 AM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: Chain Breaker]
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Thanks for all of the information here guys. I appreciate the input - even some of the stuff that I disagree with. I'm just glad we have a forum here to discuss this stuff. I wouldn't know where to begin otherwise.

I'm going to start seeing a new T next week. My first (and only other) T was a 100+ mile commute and I just couldn't see her on a regular basis. And I need someone I can see regularly. I'll take Morning Star's prayers when it comes to making a big change such as this one.

Prayer is powerful, but I don't blindly leave my fate up to faith. An "educated faith" is what i follow if there is such a thing. Does that make sense? i.e. I have faith that God protects me, but I don't think he's gonna save me if I step into traffic. Therefore I choose not to step into traffic. I still have faith in God's love - but I have to be realistic about how much devine intervention I can expect in my life.

Peace,
Andrew


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#159472 - 06/02/07 01:34 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: AJC]
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Andrew, I justsaw this post. I started taking Celexa 4 years ago. I don't typically like taking meds for long periods, but i've found that it takes the edge off. I still have to do a lot of work on my own, but the meds make the process more managable. The side effects have been mild, the most noticable is it takes longer to ejaculate... sort of like when you've had a few drinks... they actually prescribe SSRIs for premature ejqculation.

So, I have had a good experience. I also journal, workout 7 days a week, therapy and this site... there is no magic pill, but meds be an effective tool to add to your arsonal.

Dan

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#159476 - 06/02/07 02:10 PM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: Paul1959]
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AJC-

I have taken just about everything! Fact is I ended up in the hospital 5 times- via the ER (Emergency Room) and damn near died from really fucked up side effects.

You are depressed because you are realizing what happened to you and are processing it. Taking drugs will only prolong the enevitable.

This is the TRUTH. We all need to mourn the loss of our childhood. I highly recommend reading the book "The Grief Recovery Handbook". And also "Victims No Loner" by Mike Lew.

Information is far more powerful than drugs. Drugs are designed to quell feelings and emotions that are necessary to process.

You and WE ALL need to understand and comprehend the un-understandable and the incomprehensible. Its fucking hard- I will not lie to you about that- but its worth it.

I used to lay in bed or isolate for weeks on end- now I am down to just a few hours- sometimes even minutes. Some days are better than others.

My ultimate point is- when I stopped taking prescribed drugs- it was hell on earth for about 5 weeks- but then things got better- slowly.

Drugs are just another way of saying "We don't want to hear your misery...So take these...."

Fuck That!

When you read those two books- Don't just buy them and use them as decoration! I did that for years and I paid a very high price! These two books will stop your tables from wobbling- But they will also stop your heart from wobbling if you read them.

If you cannot afford them- let me know- and I will send copies to you.

You need to find out who you are- and not who you think you are and take drugs to accept the unacceptable.

In the interim- try to know that FEELING ARE NOT FACTS- they are simply remnants of our past- that DESERVE A VOICE.

You are safe here and we HEAR YOU!

Sometimes in the extreme we need drugs to calm us so we do not do harm to ourselves or others in reaction to what happened in our childhood.

If you ARE NOT in danger and nor are others in Danger around you... Then fuck drugs- you have the strength to perceiveer.


My brother ended up in prison and he will never get out because his trauma led him in that direction. Mine was even worse- but here I am- and after two years of fucked-up diagnostics and drug pre>


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#159784 - 06/04/07 08:52 AM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: philobat]
pain4ever Offline


Registered: 04/05/01
Posts: 1032
Morning Star,

No pills or prayer can fix anything quick. We have to work hard to fix our issues both health wise and mentally. So, no, I do not beleive there is a pill to fix anything.

Any quick fixes, ya they don't fix anything, they just put a coat of white wash over the issue. Its all about the hard work and effort needed to heal.

However anti-depressants or anti-anxiety meds help us when we are at our weakest psychologically speaking. When a panic attack used to hit me, no matter how centered I was, I was very hard to survive them nor was it neccessary to repeatedly snap or panic at work. We all have adult lives and we can not sit at home a deal with these things. So the meds are not the fix all but they let me lead a fairly "normal" life while going through one of the worst struggles of my life.

Brian

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#159794 - 06/04/07 09:52 AM Re: Anti-depressants [Re: pain4ever]
cbfull Offline
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Registered: 01/26/07
Posts: 386
Loc: Ohio
I can see this thread is touching on some very deep personal feelings about medication.

It might be a good idea to proceed with caution - attitudes about drugs and medications are VERY personal. A little diplomacy goes a long way.

So far I can see how every individual post has value in it's philosophy. No one can say that one is better for someone else than another, the matter is far more complex than we may pretend to know. Each one of us is responsible for finding our own "medicine", and it doesn't matter what that may be.

Personally, I feel that my antidepressant is helping me to attenuate overwhelmingly chaotic feelings of despair. It is also very likely that there is something I need to face that is lurking in that very dark place. But that's my decision to make, and being the highly pragmatic and scientific person that I am, I choose a pill. This way, I can tackle my demons one at a time, as I am ready, and not be buried by them all at once.

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Craig

Guilt and shame have never done any of us any good at all.

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