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#156287 - 05/15/07 02:49 PM RAPE IN THE MILITARY
OKIE MIKE Offline
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Rape in the military is more common that people think . When a person trys to report it through there chain of command they are blocked at every turn , and usualy are made the scape goat and harrased at every turn until they are forced to keep it quiet of are discharged for disiplinary reasons .
I had to fight for several years to prove my case . This needs to be stoped !!! Some how We need the military to prosicute the Sexual Preditors that are in there ranks . Most of the Preditors are in the upper ranks and people are afraid of them
Some how the public needs to be made awair of this . So that people that join the military know what they are exposing them selfs to
They need to put a stop to this NOW . pass laws that put thease people in the stocade for a long time and then Dishonarably Discharge them .
The E-7 that raped me had nothing happen to him . I am still looking for him after almost 30 years.

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#156290 - 05/15/07 04:15 PM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Michael

I am very sorry to hear what has happened to you.Its sickening to think that such people "lurk" in the military. they should be dealt with swiftly and booted out or jailed for their actions.

i really do hope you get him.

duncan

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#156475 - 05/16/07 12:54 PM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: duncanUK]
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Michael,

It sounds a lot like the coverups that go on in the church. The need to preserve the "dignity" and honor of the institution outweighs considerations of justice. I wonder how common this is. I have never seen any literature on sexual abuse in the military.

Much love,
Larry

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#156514 - 05/16/07 02:48 PM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: roadrunner]
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Such people are a shame to my uniform...and sadly it is far more common than commonly believed.

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#156580 - 05/17/07 01:28 AM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: coldwarrior]
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If I were an officer in the military, it would NOT be happening under my command! I would instruct all of my staff to bring ANY word of rape to me personally and that I would deal with it myeself.


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#156582 - 05/17/07 01:37 AM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: Hauser]
OKIE MIKE Offline
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SOMETIMES IT WAS THE OFFICERS DOING THIS

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#156584 - 05/17/07 01:48 AM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Jesus, how the fuck do perps become officers?


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#156592 - 05/17/07 03:25 AM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: Hauser]
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You would be afraid to know what can become an officier...
Cowards, monsters,...you can find everything in the Armed Forces.

I am a young NCO and I can swear that I have seen things done by enlisted men, NCO & officers that are absolutely crazy.

Two years ago, a young woman have been assaulted in the Royal Military School by two fellows cadets simply because she was clever (they told that to the judge)...you have an example of what can become an officer.

I always had great pride of wearing my uniform...lot of honor is attached to our uniforms that our ancestors covered with sacrifice and blood.

But that's a dishonor ! I have fighted very hard to overcome my problems, to have the right to be a soldier, to show, like I often say "I am not a super man but neither an under man". That required efforts & tears from myself, just to prove myself that I am not less than anybody.

Let me shoot such people...I would take care of that.

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#156622 - 05/17/07 09:20 AM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: coldwarrior]
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So it sounds very much like the Church. Having the right costume doesn't mean you personify the moral standards we associate with someone dressed that way. Sounds like the military needs to learn some of the hard lessons the Church had to deal with.

Much love,
Larry

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#156911 - 05/18/07 11:52 PM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: roadrunner]
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People that will kill with out any regrets , are the people that excell in a fire fight . Unfortunately this is the kind of people that you need to fight a war . But in a civilian socity
thease kind of people have no place . Most of thease people would end up in prisons due to there agressive nature . But war is a terrable thing . that I wish would go away . But we both know that that will neaver happen . This is why that you find a few terrable people in places of athority within the military
There are also some great people in the military . but in any large group you will find a few bad ones

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#156926 - 05/19/07 02:00 AM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Yes Mike, I totally agree with you. Well said.


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#157021 - 05/19/07 04:23 PM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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For sure, war is a terrible thing.

Can I kill without regrets ? Maybe...but it will be function of the personn who is my target. If it is ennemies of my country, yes. Ennemies of freedom ? yes. My ennemies ? yes. I have grown adult as a fighter...I have lost my last teenager years being afraid by everything : men, girls, peoples.

I joined the army on an impulse. And I did my best to become an infantry man. I learned to fight, to shoot, to move aggresively, always with a displayed confidence even if I was scared to death inside. Do I excell in a firefight ? Just enought to stay alive.

I don't know if I am an agressive man...if so, do I have my place in the "civilized" world ? Yes, I keep a rifle loaded at home because I'm pretty afraid at night...Will my fear last all my life ?

I have seen many bad peoples in the army but I also met very nice and helpful people. I remember nearly 2 years ago : a joke went wrong and some buddies make me falling on my head first. The young sergeant (a girl I love deeply) who was with us ( I was a 1st class back to this time) quickly put me in my bed and came frequently to check if I was OK.

It was the first time since I have been assaulted I let somebody else touching me.

God I love her.

But I am probably crazy. I should tell her how I feel.

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#157936 - 05/24/07 01:58 AM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: coldwarrior]
OKIE MIKE Offline
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Coldwarior , It was not my intintions to group all Army Personal into a group as bad people . I was saying that there are a few bad people in the ranks . I think that they should be Dishonarably Discharged reguardless of rank or time in servise

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#158026 - 05/24/07 05:27 PM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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It is my believe that the Army is the Back Bone of America. I was in the Army for 21 years and never seen or even heard of any one being sexualy assulted or Raped ( in the state of Ga an man can not be raped). The military was a good life for me after my abuse... I had to grow up and learn to become a man..I am very proud to have faught for my contry both in the US and out. Im very sorry for your experance in the Military. and did you say you are still in....

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#158052 - 05/24/07 07:55 PM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: wojax]
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Maby in the state of Georga they do not call it rape . But any time that a person is Sodomised againts there will, That is rape . Sexual assults happen in the army . Maby you chose to close your ears and eyes ! If Thease things did not happen thet would not be treating nearly 20,000 Veterans for Military Sexual
Trama in VH Hospitals . This is something that is covered up . The victoms are encouraged to shut up or they are harrased until they are removed from the service .

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MICHAEL

"I HAD NO SHOES THEN I SAW A MAN THAT HAD NO FEET"

"All I can do is be me, whoever that is"

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#158184 - 05/25/07 01:22 PM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: wojax]
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Wojax,

Originally Posted By: wojax
It is my believe that the Army is the Back Bone of America. I was in the Army for 21 years and never seen or even heard of any one being sexualy assulted or Raped ( in the state of Ga an man can not be raped).


It seems to me that your experience illustrates quite vividly the problem that Michael is talking about - the way in which victims of sexual abuse in the military are so effectively silenced, rather like the far better-known situation that for years prevailed with clergy abuse.

The case of Georgia law is also significant. Law is of course the creation of lawmakers - nothing more. This example shows how ignorance and prejudice, already very damaging and harmful, can become even worse if allowed by the citizens of a state to become consecrated in law.

Much love,
Larry

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
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#158197 - 05/25/07 03:17 PM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: roadrunner]
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Okie Mike, no prob, I understand your thought & feelings.
A dishonorable discharge would not be enough for such people...I would prefer a good old military prison.

Yes, it is true in every army through the world :
rape ? not seen, not know, not accepted.

Like in Georgia, like in Belgium...women can be raped, not men.

It is why I never went to report my own problem. Laws are made by politicians here, for politicians and the "common good".

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#160150 - 06/06/07 03:32 AM Re: RAPE IN THE MILITARY [Re: coldwarrior]
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I am glad that a book is being published about military rape . because THIS NEEDS TO BE TOLD . as soon as i can locate the money for this book I have to have it . There are to many people in the military that still do not want to see and hear the TRUTH \:\( !!!!!!
If you have ever served in the Military
You need to read " HONOR BETRAYED "

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"I HAD NO SHOES THEN I SAW A MAN THAT HAD NO FEET"

"All I can do is be me, whoever that is"

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