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#14934 - 08/25/04 11:07 PM Working through the past
Pete2004 Offline
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Registered: 08/06/04
Posts: 958
Loc: North Carolina
Guys, this is my first post. I’ve never shared this incident with anyone. If it’s inappropriate, let me know and please forgive me. I’m very motivated on this journey I’ve just begun, but it really is scary at the same time. Driving to work this morning, I was thinking back to an incident that happened to me at Boy Scout camp. I guess I was 13 or 14. (An older neighborhood boy had already abused me. To really screw me up, I liked all the feelings and attention I got from him, but that is another post). There were not enough boys from my troop to go to camp together, so I went and was made part of a “provisional” troop and assigned a professional scouter as troop leader. He took a “fancy” to me. Holding me and paying me a lot of attention while we were swimming in the pond. Singing to me around the campfire, etc. One night, he came to our cabin and while everyone else was asleep, he put his hands on my chest and arms telling me how well built I was, he felt my now aroused genitals and told me how big it was, like a “light pole”. The adrenaline surges were the most powerful I can ever remember. It gave me more of a rush than anything I had ever experienced. It was intoxicating. At the same time, I thought my heart would beat out of my chest, I was so scared. I didn’t know if he expected me to touch him or not. Unfortunately, I had been pre-conditioned by previous experiences. For some reason, he left, walked away and I never saw him again. I “finished” the job on my own. I have a hard time figuring how these things affected me, but, here I was, at camp, minding my own business, and this “nice guy” violated me. I didn’t even know of the added shame, surprise and fear that, without warning I had attracted yet another encounter, yet I craved the attention and touch….. I’m just beginning to uncover the buried feelings, and it scares me. I am committed to walking away from the affects of all the abuse, The coping mechanisms I have used over the years are not working as well now as my kids, especially my son, are reaching the ages of my abuses. The abuse is really hitting home now and the affects it has had on my entire life. The shame, the isolation, the fear of rejection if they really knew who I am and have done, Whew! What a long journey I have undertaken. Guys, thank you for sharing your trials and victories, it is really helping me.

Pete

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There is a destiny that makes us brothers;
No one goes his way alone;
What we send into the lives of others,
comes back into our own. (Edwin Markham)

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#14935 - 08/25/04 11:57 PM Re: Working through the past
MikeNY Offline
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Registered: 03/07/04
Posts: 927
Loc: NY
First of all, welcome. Second, in our context here, nothing that you have said is unusual. Your shame, and guilt, and similar things are not yours to carry. They belong to the people who abused you.

If you haven't read it, there is a post in the Friends and Family section titled "Conditioned Responses". I think that you may find it helpful.

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"Every child asks the questions which hold the answers to the secrets of the universe, WHAT?, and WHY?". --Me

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#14936 - 08/26/04 12:18 AM Re: Working through the past
dwf Offline
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Registered: 05/24/03
Posts: 1223
Loc: Austin, Texas USA
Welcome, Pete.

I am sorry for all the hurt that has brought you to us. But I am so glad that you are here.

You are in the right place.

My experience is that I have found a lot of support, strength and hope from this place.

I know that you can too.

It takes a lot of courage to make that first post. Yours was a very powerful and moving testimony to your desire to overcome the effects of the sexual abuse.

Once again, welcome, Pete. It is possible to recover. That's what this place is all about.

Sincerely,

_________________________
"Poke salad Annie, 'gators got you granny
Everybody said it was a shame
'Cause her mama was aworkin' on the chain-gang"

-Tony Joe White

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#14937 - 08/26/04 06:46 AM Re: Working through the past
Bryan Offline
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Registered: 07/30/04
Posts: 37
Loc: tokyo
As this is your first post, I thought I would pay you my first Reply (my first post also this last week). I:m a newbie here at MS too, I:m not sure where there:s help for me in this world, maybe it:s here. However, I have thought alot about some of your issues for 4 years now:

Shame/guilt: These were physically and psychologically grafted onto a totally innocent-you. Your abusers could not process nor communicate their feelings to you/anyBody properley and they left you behind, used and with no meaningFull experience. Now you are putting Meaning in yourself (and children), welcome to Ground zero, earthling! Stop a moment when you feel shame and realize it:s not yours anymore - it:s *theirs*. Shame might yet become a sign of your conscience telling you *I:m brave enought to fight the Good Fight*. I felt like a scum nearly every time I kissed a girl, now it:s more naturally *I fought thru soo much shit, you should be glad to have someone so moral kissing you.* Hope that gives a little light, but Sharing this with us here who know your Language is one way to overcome the isolation.

Isolation - DO NOT ISOLATE. Keep trying, but find someone, here and/or elsewhere, to keep trying to process your feelings with. Some of us do understand and your post is most perfectly valid and (unfortunately for us/you) everyday in most our experience. My experience of telling a couple dozen family/friends is that most cannot relate to this (hopefully someone can at least Listen?), but - we can Relate; a shrink can; and some books in this bookstore can (I can recommend Lew:s book and Ghost in the Bedroom)...do not fail to use some or all of these resources. NOTE I:m happy for you that you have made children, the jury:s not in as to whether I will be so gifted with family.... AND Someday your children may yet know how courageous you are in driving forward on MeaningFull relationships, both for your sake and theirs. I envy them - I did/do not have parents that processed their guilt or shame and it instead filtered down to me. Your abusers let it filter down to you and now you are Filtering that. Keep reaching out, even if it pisses somebody off. Filters take time to effect.

Fear - it may be proper not to communicate your details to kids now. If they are Teens, maybe impart Personal Boundaries and drawing lines for YES/NO on sex issues. It:s not out of line to have a sit down MacDonalds dinner individually and let them know you care, that you have had relationships that had Hormones racing faster than your Logic, and talk about their idea of boyfriends/girlfriends help them to CHOOSE their boundary for YES/NO for ANY part of any relationship, including drawing the Lines between Hormones/Logic. I:m just spouting what I had wished from my parents, but you:ll decide how much your kids can handle...and how fast to impart all your *Ideals*.

Your thoughts are turning now to them, hoping to protect them from sharing your agonies...this is the mark of a good parent, which again I was denied - Bravo for you, you are dealing with IT! Realize however, that you must save yourself first, if you can pass it on to them, great, ideal. I think it IS important you reach out to them in some way, just so they know Dad:s thinking struggling about them...That much can filter down to them - you:re Trying. You get a chance to *attempt* to help them, hopefully they:ll accept the Help AND you, but your experience is IMPORTANT to them. Good luck on getting across to them. On behalf of us from seriously dysfunctional families, thanks for taking the time to ACT in their interest and yours.

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Bryan Beezer

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#14938 - 08/26/04 10:24 AM Re: Working through the past
Sans Logos Offline
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Registered: 05/31/03
Posts: 5791
Loc: in my own world in pittsburgh,...
Pete,

What he did was WRONG. He preyed on you as an object for his own narcissistic end.

You were young and at that point in your life where you were begining to experience the powerful chemical changes of adolescence. He provided a stimulus, and you responded. There is no shame on your end. Your response to what happened to you was natural and involuntary.

By now, you've probably spun into existence a whole surreal inner-life around these early incidences, an inner world that dominates your every waking and sleeping moments of reflection. It's what we do for survival; and it's part of the conditioning that happens as such experiences completely envelop us, body mind and soul.

That is the crime of what they do to us. They are the worst kind of thieves and murderers. In one fell swoop, they suck the future right out of our potential, and leave us tethered to a frozen moment where we are damned to remain tied to the past. They sting us at a time when we don't have the wherewithall to comprehend the ramifications of their actions. We clothe ouselves in shame, find it impossible to forgive ourselves, because after all, ( WRONGLY ) society has sent very clear disapproving messages about sex between people of the same genitalia.

The irony is that in order to release ourselves from this trap, this bondage, we have to endure this crucifixion until we come to the place within our own selves where we become able to fully understand the impact of such deeds. We have to come to learn and recognize how its far reaching ramifications constantly echo through our inner lives, facilitating our making choices that are not in our best interests. If we are lucky or blest, we wake up before we ourselves finish what they started; we wake up before we kill or otherwise maim ourselves by ill-use of substances and processes.

Then the most severe irony is, that we have to learn to forgive, both ourselves and the abusers before this frozen moment can melt away, releasing us to proceed along our way uninhibited.

That's a mighty tall mountain, but the only way is up, cause there is no down from here.

Sorry; I didn't intend to pontificate.

Ron

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  1. the past
  2. ReClaiming Now
  3. advocacy


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#14939 - 08/26/04 03:04 PM Re: Working through the past
reality2k4 Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 07/06/04
Posts: 6838
Loc: Stuck between water, air, and ...
Pete,

welcome, but sorry you have to be here, hope you can find the answers you are looking for, but don't get hurt, when you read about the lives of others in here.

Keep your mind safe in here

Ron,

I congratulate you, on putting the effects down, so concisely, I think we wound it up, for all it is

thanks

ste

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Whoever stole the Sun, put it back and we'll drop all the charges!

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#14940 - 08/26/04 05:07 PM Re: Working through the past
Mike Church Offline
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MaleSurvivor
Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 3439
Loc: Toronto, Canada
Pete welcome to MS. You have become part of the greatest group of men it has ever been my privilege to know as brothers.

I am glad that you are tired of the damned coping skills that you used.

You said:

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The coping mechanisms I have used over the years are not working as well now as my kids, especially my son, are reaching the ages of my abuses. The abuse is really hitting home now and the affects it has had on my entire life. The shame, the isolation, the fear of rejection if they really knew who I am and have done,
There should be no fear of rejection or shame on your part as you did nothing wrong. The shame was theirs and they burdened you with it. Bastards all of them. And the isolation thing is sort of a self protection thing that are walls to keep others out. Remember those same walls keep you in.

I can see that you are proud of your boys and so you should be. Remember all that is good about you as you start down this road. Write it all down and compare it with the stuff you do not like. That should not include reacting to a perps advances. I mean we all did.

Welcome again Pete and you can pm me anytime.

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Mikey

IT REALLY IS OK TO STUMBLE. NONE OF US ARE PERFECT.

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#14941 - 08/26/04 06:18 PM Re: Working through the past
Lloydy Offline
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Registered: 04/17/02
Posts: 7071
Loc: England Shropshire
Pete & Beezer
Welcome to MS, and the best support and friendship of it's kind.

Making those first posts is so hard, as Survivors we have had our self-esteem ripped from us, so we fear rejection all the time.
We don't reject, we support and help wherever we can.

If you have any questions then please ask one of the Moderating team. We're here to help rather than control what's posted.

Dave

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Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined. As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler.
Henry David Thoreau

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#14942 - 08/26/04 10:29 PM Re: Working through the past
Pete2004 Offline
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MaleSurvivor

Registered: 08/06/04
Posts: 958
Loc: North Carolina
Thanks guys! If only I could memorize these responses! I am re-reading them and would very much like them to become my thought patterns. Oh how I wish they would!....I feel as if there is this big black hole in me. I don't know what it contains, but it scares the crap out of me. How do I deal with it and let it out? Thank you again for the afirmations!

Pete

_________________________
There is a destiny that makes us brothers;
No one goes his way alone;
What we send into the lives of others,
comes back into our own. (Edwin Markham)

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#14943 - 08/26/04 11:01 PM Re: Working through the past
EGL Offline
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MaleSurvivor
Registered: 06/19/04
Posts: 7821
Hi Charlie - Like the others, I'd like to welcome you here, though sorry you have to be here. As you've figured out, this site is a tremendous resource. I've been here 2 months now and it has helped me tremendously, as I'm sure it will you too. This work is hard, and I'm slooooowly starting to see some progress. But it is only small fragments at this point. Don't despair though, you're in good company with those who understand you like no one else in the world.

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Eddie

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