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#14759 - 05/10/06 12:35 AM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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Mel
Once again what you write make a lot of sense, I agree entirely.

Except that I believe there is huge money involved, and it runs alongside the traded porn you mention.

This is coming from the East, the old Soviet countries and some Asian ones as well.
Running a 'pay as you view' site from some godforsaken and lawless hell hole in Siberia is a pretty safe bet.
That traffic has to be curtailed by the credit card companies, by reporting every transaction to Interpol or someone, and it's up to the law enforcement people to identify those illegal sites in the first place.

Closing them down can only be done economically, raiding the premises won't work because they will just move on.
The economical way won't really work on the owners of the site either, they're probably too far removed to be caught anyway.
But if the perv's get too scared to enter their card numbers then the commercial sites will close.

Or am I being optimistic ?
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#14760 - 05/10/06 03:00 AM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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I would assume that the fact you're apparently able to get so much material out there for free would, by itself, put the "pay" sites out of business. But perhaps that's just wishful thinking on my part, heh.

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#14761 - 05/10/06 09:06 AM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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A good way would be to run a commercial saying that your card is being tracked.
Use your card and face jail.

Kids are abused because it makes them money.
There is a market, and it is the worst form of abuse possible.

Others must do it for the 'kick' of doing it and not being caught.
As technology advances they will eventually be caught and jailed.

The net is flooded with this stuff, and while people are willing to pay for it, it will never go away.

One way would be to find the sites and work with the credit card companies to block transactions to it.
A warning would be sent to whoever tried the transaction.

They need to be one step ahead, not millions of miles behind.

ste

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#14762 - 05/10/06 10:43 AM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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Dave,

A lot of the porn sites seem to be set up in the East European countries once occupied by the USSR. Corruption is extreme in these places, so it's really difficult even to find these places, much less close them down.

In the UK and Germany there are many young guys who have come from Russia, the Balkans, or Poland to study or work. They talk about how bad the economic situation is back home, and in that context out comes the comment that well, of course, things are lots better of you're attractive, young-looking and willing to work the porn sites. These guys weren't willing, so that's why they are in the West.

The real problem is that if a family is in a bad way at home and members begin to head westward, the first to go are the fathers and big brothers, which leaves younger siblings VERY vulnerable. Instead of the closeness and feeling of being sheltered and protected, the youngsters feel cut adrift.

Guess who's sooo happy to help them out with those problems? It's easy money, it looks like a LOT of money, and hey, it's sex.

Larry

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#14763 - 05/10/06 02:13 PM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by reality2k4:
[QBOne way would be to find the sites and work with the credit card companies to block transactions to it.
A warning would be sent to whoever tried the transaction.

They need to be one step ahead, not millions of miles behind.

ste [/QB]
Ste, they aren't as far behind as you think. Visa has long been able to track transactions realtime. And they are working with the authorities now to use this technology to catch pedos. Small steps.

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#14764 - 05/10/06 04:37 PM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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Nobby,

the sites cannot exist without electronic transactions.
If those payments could not be received, then it would force them to close.

It needs to be done globally to work properly.
Myself, I would never let my kids anywhere near the net without big protection.

I dont go surfing the net, so pretty much dont get it, and use pop up blockers and filters,

ste

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#468311 - 08/01/14 05:27 AM the bottom line [Re: mark250676]
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Originally Posted By: melliferal
The problem is that the Justice Department's statement creates the illusion of some faceless illegal "corporation" that abducts children, makes movies with them, and sells the movies for small fortunes. It lends an "otherness", a kind of "distance" to the problem of child pornography - it happens "out there" - when the reality, the thing that people need to understand, is that the guy on the end of the block makes the stuff in his living room, possibly with YOUR KIDS, and trades it over the net in exchange for similar stuff from other people. The poor FBI agents who find this stuff and are forced to look at it all the time really don't know anything about it. But WE know about it, because we've been there. We're the people who need to tell the world the truth about what's going on, because the OTHER people who know the truth won't be talking.


i agree, melliferal.

the rest of what you said is worth repeating and rereading…
http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=14753#Post14753

to answer your question, mark250676…
Originally Posted By: mark250676
I know you have the 1st ammendment in the US but how can an organisation like this be allowed to exist?!


"There is nothing in them which is unlawful, which is outside the bounds of what is normally protected by the First Amendment," ACLU lawyer John Reinstein said in an interview.

As distasteful as most people find the group's views, those opinions are protected by the Constitution, he said.

"If the standard by which First Amendment protection is judged is whether enough people agree with it, we would be deprived of speech which is either controversial or opposed to the majority view," he said.

According to the FBI, the organization's sexual advocacy is protected by the First Amendment.

"Everyone has the right to assemble and espouse whatever belief they want," said Dan Dzwilewski, head of the FBI's San Diego office.
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#468370 - 08/02/14 02:54 AM Re: the bottom line [Re: victor-victim]
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Originally Posted By: victor-victim

According to the FBI, the organization's sexual advocacy is protected by the First Amendment.

"Everyone has the right to assemble and espouse whatever belief they want," said Dan Dzwilewski, head of the FBI's San Diego office.


Neither of those FBI broad statements are true any longer under the current administration. Additionally, if the entity's speech and actions are criminal and damaging by the opinion of a court, it is not protected assembly or speech.

One thing we never hear about from the media, is the Nambla branches that become infiltrated by vigilantes. I consider them to be hero-phenoms!
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#468503 - 08/04/14 09:29 PM Re: the bottom line [Re: mark250676]
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Have known about NAMBLA for awhile...stumbled across this guy recently ( http://oncefallen.com/ ), and had a lengthy back-and-forth comment debate with him under an article about increased child pornography busting funding (which he was adamantly opposed to). He repeats all the "false memory" statistics, rejects all the statistics for prevalence of sexual abuse (he claims it's like 1 in a thousand or something obscenely low). Turns out the guy is a convicted sex offender because he molested a little girl and is on the sex offender registry (he calls it an "incidental molestation", the creep) and his political goals are to...stop child sex abuse and pornography law enforcement funding (effectively decriminalizing it) and to dismantle the sex offender registry.

Really goes to show what a coward the guy is. Convicted of a crime and put into a registry to warn others about what you've done, and your political goals are to decriminalize what you were convicted of and dismantle the registry you're on? What a selfish creep! And then using denialist tactics of cherry-picked statistics, hand-picked "experts", confusing the issue, and, of course, wrapping the whole thing up in the concept of "personal liberty" (he went on and on about personal liberty...what, the personal liberty to molest and rape children? Fuck off, creep!)

I cannot emphasize too much how insightful it was to get in with this guy in a debate. He backed down because I saw right through him. Just a self-concerned, unempathetic pedophile looking for redemption from society without any sort of atonement. And that's what these political movements are all about.
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