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#147509 - 03/28/07 08:46 PM Many paths
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#147533 - 03/28/07 10:26 PM Re: Many paths [Re: Elad 12]
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Dale,

I'm translating a medieval Arabic book that you would like, I think. It goes like this. A boy is born by spontaneous generation on a deserted island and is adopted by a gazelle, who raises him as her own child. He grows up and discovers, through his own intellect, all the truths of the natural and spiritual worlds.

Then, when the boy grows up, a man from another island which is inhabited lands and the two discover each other. After they learn to communicate, the one from the inhabited island discovers that his "organized religion" is but a hollow shell of the "natural religion" of the guy from the deserted island. So they go off to the inhabited island to teach them the errors of their ways. Now you can imagine how well THAT goes!

Much love,
Larry

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#147534 - 03/28/07 10:27 PM Re: Many paths [Re: Elad 12]
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Dale,

There is also an argument to be made for raising your child lovingly within a faith and teaching him how that faith embraces and honours all other faiths. Pope Benedict wrote a beautiful piece called "The Open Circle" that talks about the importance of teaching Catholic children the beauty and value of faiths other than Christianity.

Personally I believe that each person will find their own faith as you did, but I also believe that you need to stay within "your" faith, and use the beliefs and faith of others as a source of strength. For example I have a close friend who is Muslim. His faith is unbelievably strong and whenever I talk to him I feel like I have been drinking at the fountain of youth. He restores my own faith in God.

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#147550 - 03/29/07 12:07 AM Re: Many paths [Re: Nobbynobs]
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#147578 - 03/29/07 08:38 AM Re: Many paths [Re: Elad 12]
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You're right, it doesn't happen that way very often. A lot of people are so overcome by fear that they pass on those fears to their children. Religion seems to bring out the worst of those fears and you end up with things like those private schools that you describe.

At the same time, I know people who are trying to raise their children within one faith, but teaching them to love and appreciate all faiths. I guess we can only hope and pray that this catches on.

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#147650 - 03/29/07 05:49 PM Re: Many paths [Re: Nobbynobs]
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I think God speaks in at least 6.9 billion voices. What he says in each of those languages is the same....

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#147668 - 03/29/07 06:37 PM Re: Many paths [Re: Halibut]
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"They come in throngs and set us examples of every virtue. The languages differ but the religion is the same; as many different choirs chant the psalms as there are nations..."

St. Jerome

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#147764 - 03/30/07 07:27 AM Re: Many paths [Re: Nobbynobs]
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Looking back over this thread reminds me of a similar discussion I have been having in another context. Someone participating in the group posted with a telling comment: "Your God is too small".

Something to think about! It's our spiritual institutions and society that impose these intolerable and narrow limits on the mercy and goodness of God, and then threaten us with eternal punishment if we don't comply. Why on earth should we fall for that?

I look at my Muslim and Jewish friends and I don't see people who are doomed. I see people just like myself, struggling to do their best as calling on God for his love and support. If I can't imagine a God capable of that unconditional love and support, that's my failing and not God's.

Much love,
Larry

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Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
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#147766 - 03/30/07 08:20 AM Re: Many paths [Re: roadrunner]
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#148609 - 04/03/07 01:29 PM Re: Many paths [Re: Elad 12]
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A part of me believes that children should not be introduced to or made to believe a certian religion until they are old enough to search out for themselves the knowledge they are seeking, that forcing kids to believe a certian way is abusive.


Dale that's the way I brought my girl up. I let her find her own way down her path. I think it worked out, she did lots of reading for years.

Wish I had half the spirtality she has and I didn't force any of it on her.

Tom

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