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#14662 - 04/22/06 08:48 PM NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
mark250676 Offline
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Through links from this site I've found out about NAMBLA, mainly through http://rikijo.blogspot.com/.

I know you have the 1st ammendment in the US but how can an organisation like this be allowed to exist?!

Please let me know if I'm being ignorant of what they actually atand for but from what I've found out I'm dumbfounded!!

Mark

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#14663 - 04/22/06 08:55 PM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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Mark,

I'm afraid you're right. But the fact of the matter is that the First Amendment protects freedom of expression regardless of how disgusting and reprehensible it is. In the States, for example, there is also a legal Nazi Party.

I too have difficulty with NAMBLA's right to exist, but at the end of the day perhaps it's a "good" thing (I use the adjective with caution). If this group were to be banned it would simply disappear underground. As it is they blabber on and so many of them can be tracked and detected.

Much love,
Larry

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#14664 - 04/22/06 09:00 PM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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But they seem to raise huge amounts of money!

I take your point though it's a good way of identifying people to avoid!

Still in shock though! It's so so wrong! I've never said this before but thank god for our tabloid press! They would roast them alive!!

Mark

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#14665 - 04/22/06 09:14 PM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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NAMBLA is not only active in the US...they are also here in Canada and I would not be surprised if there is an equivalent group in Europe. They are advocates of the "Boy-lover" defense to pedophilia, i.e., they argue that having sex with boys is perfectly ok and natural, and that pedophilia is just another type of sexual orientation like heterosexuality or homosexuality.

I believe that in the late 1990's the FBI infiltrated the USA branch of NAMBLA, and I would be very surprised if the FBI was not monitoring them very closely today.

Another bad group are the ones who are advocating the "false memory" defence for perps. This is the theory that therapists are implanting abuse memories in victims. Wouldn't be surprised to see a few perps in those groups as well.

Personally I think the existence of all these groups means that the perps are on the defensive. Law enforcement agencies are getting better at catching them, and more kids are coming forward and ratting them out. It shouldn't be surprising that perps feel the need to get together and try to fool the public into thinking that what they are doing is normal.

That said, it also goes to show how dangerous the perps can be...groups like NAMBLA can fool people into thinking that perps are just guys with "different" preferences. If you are concerned about them, talk to your local police or if you are in the US, to the FBI. The more attention that can be brought onto these guys from law enforcement, the better.

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#14666 - 04/22/06 09:22 PM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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You've only just found out about NAMBLA? They've been around a while. NAMBLA is a group that has managed to irk just about everyone. They are especially burdensome to the gay rights movement, off whom they leech. One of their favorite slogans is "Eight is too late". Does that make you angry? I bet it does...

Still and all, just about every law enforcement agency in the US is all over NAMBLA, so don't worry about them too much. Such groups are like roaches; shine enough light on them and they scamper away.

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#14667 - 04/22/06 09:34 PM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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Does it not make you wonder just who is involved in this site?
Are there a great many ppl in authority who turn a blind eye.

It must be so, sites like this are left to run, as they are the means of contact for child abusers. But authority lets them go on.
Why? Becuase even if not active, authority figures can simulate their fantasies through sites like this existing.

I guess there are plenty of links to child abuse on the site, but not sure.
These sites tend to make an issue between abuse and love of boys.

It is a twisted view, but apparently there are a whole load of them with a view that boylove is positive for boys.
Transgeneration of sex has gone on through the ages.

Society breeds abuse by social deprivation, and low income, which gives richer people the invite to divulge in perverse sex, which they find easy to do with vulnerable kids.

You only have to look at how many kids tell!
Is it not an indication of how many kids never did tell, and live a hell on earth.

If you can stomach it, go on their site, tell them it is wrong what they do, and see if they agree with you!

If goverments were intent on dealing with sites like this, then they would have dealt with it before, but dont you think that somehow authority figures are complicit with their views.

I do,

ste

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#14668 - 04/22/06 09:55 PM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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Can anyone highlight a organisation that lobbies against this group. I feel anger feel it would be better to support an organised legal group that highlights the complete manipulation and abuse their POV breeds.

To qoute someone's signature, sorry I can't remember who's exactly

"Children don't consent they conform"

Mark

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#14669 - 04/22/06 11:50 PM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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Mark,

While I can't say for sure, my sense of things is that NAMBLA's line is so shocking to the public that they don't find much support anyway.

The sign-off line you are thinking of is the great one Melliferal has a few posts above: "Children cannot consent; they can only comply."

Much love,
Larry

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#14670 - 04/23/06 12:57 AM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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Did anyone see the film 'Swordfish'... the main point was that democracy was being saved by unusual methods! Not that I fully agreed with the context!

Is there not a bunch of rich men out there that will equally save society against these perverts?!

Best wishes ...Rik

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#14671 - 04/23/06 01:36 AM Re: NAMBLA?! I can't beleive this!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by mark250676:
Can anyone highlight a organisation that lobbies against this group. I feel anger feel it would be better to support an organised legal group that highlights the complete manipulation and abuse their POV breeds.
Mark
Most childrens' rights charities lobby against groups like NAMBLA, along with law enforcement organisations, public safety, etc. Also, a letter to the editor of your local paper or a magazine can't hurt. Freedom of speech works both ways; NAMBLA has the right to their opinion, and we have the right to disagree with it.

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