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#14497 - 01/21/07 05:05 PM Re: Am I really a Vigilante?
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WARNING from ModTeam, September 2013: user "Shadowkid" was exposed as a hoaxer. His entire online persona and stories of sexual abuse were fiction. We encourage you not to become emotionally concerned by anything you see in any of his posts. Thank you
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my abuse ended when i was 11, i didnt stop being a victim untill i decided to do something other than just sit around feeling sorry for myself,which i did and still do a lot,for me it was a choice ,either wallow in self pity which i found very easy to do ,or try to do something ,anything to fight back ,but there are groups dedicated to doing just that ,so it doesnt have to be at ms ,although i cant see how seeing others fight back can have a negitive effect on anyone,new or old . there is a group ,i wont mention names but to date they have exposed or helped bust at least 200 abusers,this is real, 200! predators removed from the net and in some cases from society. thats not wasted energy. as for the police ?read the posts about the 4 year old that was molested at least ten times ,the perp walked free ,if he lived next door to you wouldnt you want to know he was there?

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#14498 - 01/21/07 05:07 PM Re: Am I really a Vigilante?
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in fact they even got boychat shutdown temporarily.

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#14499 - 01/21/07 05:37 PM Re: Am I really a Vigilante?
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Yes, but are those folks (I know of whom you speak) doing something that could get them put in jail? Nope.

A perpetrator getting a restraining order against the person he abused is the exact opposite of the way things should be. Expose perps, tell on them, tell the world about what they're doing. Name names. But don't put yourself in the position of giving the perp an opportunity to play "victim" in a way that will win in court.

Despite the odd miscarriage of justice (as illustrated by the above-mentioned released abuser), the laws most everywhere agree more with us than they do with the perps, because people are sympathetic towards our particular problem. We can't afford to put the status quo in jeopardy.

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#14500 - 01/21/07 05:46 PM Re: Am I really a Vigilante?
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If I may elaborate:

I have been to his sites as well and although I don't know for SURE that anything that they're advocating is not legal, certainly telling THE TRUTH about someone can't be wrong. It can only empower people to help protect their kids right? Knowledge is power, yes or no?

I doubt very much the Kirk and Rik are in a position to help with advice on this matter since they live in a country without statutes of limitations for these crimes. There really isn't much else one CAN do besides maybe set up a sting on the guy like they do at perverted-justice. I'm assuming that Ken is American however.

Just my thoughts.

Oh, and Ken, no apologies necessary for me, OK? The spirit and intent of your post was good. But I also respect the reasons why the post was removed.


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#14501 - 01/21/07 07:02 PM Re: Am I really a Vigilante?
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i guess from a legal standpoint it could maybe be considered libel if he hasn't been convicted for any crimes. if he has, i dont really see how it is a problem at all because it is just telling what even the courts know as truth. anyway i respect the decisions of the mods for whatever reasons they took, but personally i had no problem with what you were doing, onefastbike.

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#14502 - 01/21/07 08:20 PM Re: Am I really a Vigilante?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hauser:
If I may elaborate:

I have been to his sites as well and although I don't know for SURE that anything that they're advocating is not legal, certainly telling THE TRUTH about someone can't be wrong. It can only empower people to help protect their kids right? Knowledge is power, yes or no?
Telling the truth is fine. But what will these vigilantes do if the perps decide to get serious in their retaliation? Perps are very serious criminals, and I doubt they would hesitate to retaliate against these groups. Are the people in these groups prepared to put themselves at risk of retaliation? Would they be prepared to risk their families' safety? How about the safety of their perps' families? What if someone acts on their advice and kills or harms a perp? Would they accept responsibility?

I say leave the policing to the police.

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I doubt very much the Kirk and Rik are in a position to help with advice on this matter since they live in a country without statutes of limitations for these crimes. There really isn't much else one CAN do besides maybe set up a sting on the guy like they do at perverted-justice. I'm assuming that Ken is American however.
I won't speak for either Kirk or Rik, but my understanding is that they are both very heavily involved with the authorities in their advocacy. I mentioned them because I think that they represent the "right" way for survivors to get involved with preventing perps. They fight back by speaking with legislators, volunteering with charities, and assisting other survivors through the justice system. I don't always agree with their opinions, but I believe that both of those guys are doing good work.

There is a group in the States that I really admire called "Bikers Against Child Abuse." These guys are the most unlikely advocates you would expect. They look like a bunch of Hell's Angels, but I think they are one of the best child protection groups out there. Basically, they provide abused kids with a protective and supportive circle of friends. ("if circumstances arise such that we are the only obstacle preventing a child from further abuse, we stand ready to be that obstacle.")

They are rough, but they are very careful to stay on the good side of the fence, and they work closely with the police and child protection agencies. Thing of them as Big Brothers/Big Sisters, but with Harleys and tattoos. You guys might want to check them out.

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#14503 - 01/21/07 08:37 PM Re: Am I really a Vigilante?
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Nobby wrote:
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Telling the truth is fine. But what will these vigilantes do if the perps decide to get serious in their retaliation? Perps are very serious criminals, and I doubt they would hesitate to retaliate against these groups. Are the people in these groups prepared to put themselves at risk of retaliation? Would they be prepared to risk their families' safety? How about the safety of their perps' families? What if someone acts on their advice and kills or harms a perp? Would they accept responsibility?
This is the main reason why these kinds of posts are not allowed on Male Survivor. We try to keep this site as safe as possible for all our members here. We do not have the resources to handle the retaliation that these groups may inflict upon our site (as was the case just a few months ago).

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#14504 - 01/21/07 09:40 PM Re: Am I really a Vigilante?
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I use the silver bullet approach to them.
Inject the opposite of what they are telling
the public with the real truth.

Linking to blogs from perps, and other sites relating to boy lovers is not what this site
is about.

I know that some of these sites have been brought
down in the UK, leading to some prominent boy lovers being caught and jailed, even if its not long enough.

Chris Denning got only 4yrs, with a lifelong history of abusing thousands of boys.
Jonathan King who is still pleading innocence, thinks it is innocent to use rent boys to this day.

OCarrol was given 2.5 years, even though he was the most prominent perp, who has faced jail in
Europe for abusing boys, and he is open about his
feelings, so much so, he had his own website and pedophile ring.

Nothing but a life sentence will stop them from abusing, but that does not seem to happen to them, as they are cunning and experienced in knowing that boys dont tell.

One reason not to attract them here,

ste

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#14505 - 01/21/07 10:13 PM Re: Am I really a Vigilante?
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Registered: 04/17/04
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Loc: Toronto
Firstly I would like to thank everyone for their PMs. They meant alot.

Now allow me to clarify a few points...

1) I do not live in the US. I live in Canada.
2) My perp HAS been convicted for 3 of the acts he performed on me. I was too affraid to tell the whole truth in court (too much shame too)
3) I have done NOTHING illegal.
4) I built my site not to confront my perp, but rather out of frustraion. I had been Googling him for years with no results. I finally realized that his other victims must be doing the same thing. Since I have built the site I have been contacted by several of his past victims.
5) Since I have built my site I have been contacted by 2 of his CURRENT victims (they have info that ONLY a victim of this animal would know)
6) I HAVE contacted the HEAD of the Metro Toronto Police Child Expoitation Unit (the same guy who went to Bill Gates to get the Pedo software written). I have met with him and HE encouraged me to keep up my online pressure. Unless an online persona is found they are limited in what they can do.
7) I have contacted his employer and gave them SOLID and verifiable FACTS
8) I have posted fliers on all the cars in his Condo parking garage and surface lots with FACTS about him.

So what started out as just a way of finding other vicitms of him has evolved in to a very powerful outlet for years of pent up emotions. I have evolved in to an advocate of child safety. I am pouring many hours in to volonteering my time to helping other survivors gain their voice. I have built several websites for other victims and we are now providing a Blog for other victims to post their feelings/experiences.

Anyhow, I'm not angry in any way. I have already stated that I understand that not everyone is in the same place emotionally that I am. I am good with that.

This place is a great resource and has gotten me to where I am now, and I don't want to do anything to damage it.

I run 3 different Forums with over 1400 members so I can understand the actions of the mods.

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#14506 - 01/22/07 06:31 AM Re: Am I really a Vigilante?
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Registered: 01/07/07
Posts: 167
Loc: Australia
As a new member I would like to see these prior incidents you are discussing - relating to inviting known child abusers to the board. I really need to see what happened and parse it for myself.

So could somone please PM me the link(s). I would appreciate it. Especially as I am very much in two minds as to whether I should make contact with my abusers or family ever again.

And because my shrink is very much into working with the police (he liases with them closely and knows the officers assigned to sex abuse cold cases on a first name basis and also the entire forensic team and all of the admin and everything). I'd like to know what I might be in for if I was to bring this up in public or confront them directly.

Thanks.

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