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#142716 - 02/22/07 05:31 AM Who stole the shout box?
reality2k4 Offline
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Why? Has this faciltiy been removed from the forum!
It is there for a cause, and it someone doesnt like it
others should not have to pay.

Put it back where it belongs,

ste


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#142784 - 02/22/07 04:57 PM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: reality2k4]
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It was stolen by the Prim and Prude Fairy -

froggy

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#142789 - 02/22/07 05:28 PM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: froggy12]
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I guess I know who proclaims to be somthing,

ribbit,

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#142790 - 02/22/07 05:35 PM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: froggy12]
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There is enough angst on these pages daily and there should be a nitch to express some levity, no matter how inane or idiotic. Beware the self-righteous, for their's is the kingdom of sterility in more ways than one.

froggy

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#142821 - 02/23/07 12:47 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: froggy12]
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The Shout Box was removed because the administrators and moderators felt is was becoming a distraction to some of our members. There were several comments posted that we felt were inappropriate for this site. We also felt that if a new survivor came to this site for the first time, that they would be put off by some of these inappropriate comments. Since the moderators were unable to edit the Shout Box, it was removed.

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#142855 - 02/23/07 05:20 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: ModTeam]
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Ahh, but we could use the same logic in the forums and especially chat.
All you need to do, is default the forum to not show the left hand column, which gives members the option of seeing it or not, better still an option to turn the shout box on or off,

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#142877 - 02/23/07 09:15 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: reality2k4]
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sometimes i think this place is too much of a bubble. its not reality. reality can't be edited.


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#142879 - 02/23/07 09:19 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: Jarrad]
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why was it put there in the first place?

it was a relief to have also fun time with the brothers -

there is a line of therapy called sand box therapy where we learn through
play -

perhaps our patterns could have been studied - and of use to all?

- but that's too late now -

i kind of agreee with Jarrad -

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#142880 - 02/23/07 09:20 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: Jarrad]
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duplicate.



Edited by markgreyblue (02/23/07 10:33 AM)
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#142881 - 02/23/07 09:20 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: markgreyblue]
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our whole beings are being rebuilt here -

not just the nice and clean stuff

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#142882 - 02/23/07 09:25 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: markgreyblue]
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i could see potentially it making things possibly complex -

but a moderator devoted to it - once a day - steer things with a reminder back on course .....

again ... jarrad's point - this site is complex as is life -
it will be a missed outlet.

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#142883 - 02/23/07 09:53 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: markgreyblue]
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i thought the shout box was kind of annoying so i dont really care that it's gone, but i dont like the attitude of extreme censorship here. how are we supposed to heal and learn to trust if we are constantly being told 'you cant say that' 'you cant do that' 'listen to us or we will ban you.' kind of sounds like the shit im trying to heal from. hmmm.

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#142886 - 02/23/07 10:24 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: batcountry]
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I kind of miss the shoutbox too. It put a human face on this forum.

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#142895 - 02/23/07 11:11 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: Nobbynobs]
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I understood it as the moderaters could not edit it, did not have control of it. In a place so much emotions already, and new people perhaps 'browsing' here at any time, and some of the messages I seen in it before, it make sense that if it can not be edited, it is gone.

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#142898 - 02/23/07 11:21 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: VN]
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why are the new members valued over the current members?

not everything needs to be 'edited'

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#142907 - 02/23/07 11:55 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: markgreyblue]
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The shout box does have a place here, it could be a life saver because it is real time, and a member could ask for help using this function.

I hope it is returned because it does give a forum devoid of animation, some talking place for those who need it.
Please return it,

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#142908 - 02/23/07 11:56 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: batcountry]
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I will concede it did seem a bit too raucous at times - to create an inviting
unitimidating space to new people -

we all know each other - after being around each other a while -

the distinction - between a healing site - and space for fun and jokes - aren't
incompatible -

but as a fronticepeice - a front page - almost welcoming item -

i can see how it might confuse - intimidate - or just make sense -
somewhere else -

here's a thought begining -

it seemed a lot of us - have either jokes - or ideas -

or art - we want to share -

the immediacy to blow off steam in the shout box was great -

can it be moved to the members section in an off topic like
category ?

thanks - and please add ...



Edited by markgreyblue (02/23/07 11:57 AM)
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#142910 - 02/23/07 11:58 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: batcountry]
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I am not saying they are. I am saying that a new person considering to come here for help, probably have not spoke of events of the past before in 'real life', come to here and there is talk of 'tits' and 'perv' stuff in the shout box, I think they would possibly not return.

Chat is not 'edit' either, and it become sometime quite heated, quite discusting, and quite obnoxious. That is how it remains, because it is not edited. I do not mean it is not also very good and support place. But that is truth, that it is often not controlled in there, and will at times even become a very sexual chat, and I do not mean sexual in meaning of talking about abuse issues. Do we really need another place at this site that is so unedited as that?

I am sorry the toy was taken. And I am sorry if my view of it is not 'popular'. But I agree with moderaters of this decision, very much. No, not everything need to be edited. But there is enough un-edited, and unsafe, in real life. This SHOULD be a safe place for people to find support and help, not lewd talk and sex jokes. Dislike my opinion if you wish, but it is mine and it remains.

VN


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#142911 - 02/23/07 12:02 PM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: batcountry]
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I personally saw dialogue in the shout box that was potentially-negatively-triggering material. Since such up-front material is not useful for healing, but could more likely scare people off, it's better the venue not have to be seen in the first place. It's like the people who say if you don't like what's on tv, change the channel. But, it's too late, what was shown was already seen and that can't be undone.

I propose what others already have: bring back the box, but keep an eye on its contents and provide the mods with editing permissions.

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#142925 - 02/23/07 12:53 PM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: FormerTexan]
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There were a number of reasons the shoutbox was removed:
  • Negative impact on survivors first visiting the site.
  • Triggering and inappropriate content
  • The inability to moderate the content
  • The lack of manpower to supervise the shoutbox on a full-time basis
Unlike the chat, the shoutbox is readily visible to people coming here for the first time. As this is a healing place, MaleSurvivor does not think it is appropriate to expose those who are looking for help to potentially triggering words and thoughts before they even get in the door.

The shoutbox discussion also considered the fact that there are other places for this kind of communication, such as the chat room. The unmoderated or off topic forums in particular could be used to create the humorous threads that were created in the shoutbox, assuming the other discussion board guidelines are followed.


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#143015 - 02/24/07 03:34 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: Dewey2k]
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Personally i never really paid much attention to the shout box. If indeed the mods received negative feedback from new visitors saying the shout box upset them, then I can totally understand their decision to do away with it.

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#143100 - 02/24/07 09:54 PM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: markgreyblue]
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Ah, but we must maintain the delusional image of decorum. Barf.

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#143175 - 02/25/07 06:10 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: froggy12]
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Barf to the wind frogfruende.
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it is said,

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#143207 - 02/25/07 03:31 PM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: reality2k4]
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haha froggy. barf. that made me laugh. i really dont care either way if the shoutbox is here or not. i never really used it. however, increasing censorship does have me worried. you cant protect people from life. its cruel to create the utopian enviroment that is so far removed from reality that it ends up being damaging.


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#143224 - 02/25/07 05:16 PM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: Jarrad]
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Maybe we take for granted "the freedumb we have"!


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#143260 - 02/25/07 11:55 PM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: reality2k4]
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Censorship? Does anyone even remember that there was no shout box on the older server at all? Did anyone say "censorship" at such non-existence? No. This was a new feature to everyone that was, in my (and others) opinion, misused. I really can't see the loss of such an insignificant feature qualifying as censorship. Now, if we lost an entire forum, then I would certainly see cause to protest.

Just my $0.02 worth.

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#143265 - 02/26/07 01:24 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: FormerTexan]
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My $0.4 - de gustibus non est disputandem some fella wrote a while back. Some folks like to piss and moan, some like to laugh out loud, some would spoil a good wet dream. It's all part of the human makeup. The sun is up shout some. No ain't say some others. Both are right but where do they live?

froggy

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#143275 - 02/26/07 09:13 AM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: froggy12]
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im not talking soley about the shoutbox in regards to my feelings about censorship and the site. like i said i could care less about the shoutbox. but i do care about the reasoning why it was removed. that botheres me. my feelings also stem from the message board and the chat room as well. i get that this is a "special" site for people to feel "safe" butwhere do we draw the line? if people have to adapt how they behave here to suit other people, will the site really help? if we cant be ourselves waht's the point?


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#143316 - 02/26/07 05:19 PM Re: Who stole the shout box? [Re: Jarrad]
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You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

There are other venues for silly banter. It wasn't about censorship.


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