Wow! Thanks guys. I was thinking of deleting my original post cos I thought 'it's so longwinded, get to the point man'. But you've taken this in a really interesting direction.
I'm really intrigued at what Philo is saying here about vigilante's, because I was using the term very loosely, I didn't mean actual vigilante's, but what you said has given me great pause, particularly as I am seeing you are not one to cast words to the wind.
I also like Nobby's more literary and abstracted reading of the whole idea too.
I have often thought about Bat, cos I relate to so much of his story and his background and that's why I agree with Philo too, Bat brings out the paternalistic in me, and I have to reign that in, because I just don't want anyone to hurt him, and that goes for others here too. I don't know Shadow too well or the others, but I am learning what their repsonses are indicating, the suffering that goes unspoken. I would hate anyone to rob these guys of their recovery.
And Jacob, thanks for pointing that out about the specifics of the law, cos I was podering looking at a nudist sites the other day, trying to wean myself off nudey women.... and again there were some tiny thumbnails of nudists, and what looked like kids perhaps, which I just realised I had seen at other nudists sites.... The other sites I had gone to as a nudist myself looking for info on beaches and societies and trying to decide whether I want to be a nudist and whether I am just trying to use a shock-treatment approach to overcome my body-image issues.
But this takes me in another direction. The more I think about it, the more I realise, Shit! There are pics of kids there. I never thought anything about it, other than rmembering some Anthroposophist friends of my wife who were nudists and that whole scene a la Confest, etc...
Look, I've gone on, but I'll post some links so you can see what I mean about Confest and hippies and 'Family Nudism':http://www.dte.org.au/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism