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#141708 - 02/15/07 01:27 PM Re: Stumbling Across Kiddie Porn [Re: philobat]
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Originally Posted By: philobat
but the road to hell is pved with good intentions. I have been through enough.


I know that I'm threadjacking but this reminds me of a great quote by Terry Pratchett (which is from whom I got the name Nobby Nobs):

"Some people think the road to hell is paved with good intentions. This is not true. It is paved with frozen door-to-door salesmen. The younger demons go skating on it sometimes."

Anyway, ditto what philo said. Leave the child porn to the cops. No need to risk yourself.

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#141727 - 02/15/07 04:54 PM Re: Stumbling Across Kiddie Porn *DELETED* [Re: melliferal]
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#141741 - 02/15/07 06:30 PM Re: Stumbling Across Kiddie Porn [Re: jacobtk]
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Originally Posted By: jacobtk
Originally Posted By: melliferal
Thirdly, know that nobody goes to jail for stumbling upon child porn.


In many states, possessing an image of your child taking a bath or just in his underwear could constitute possessing child porn.


I remember when those laws came out there was a big controversy because some of them made Coppertone ads illegal.

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#141742 - 02/15/07 06:43 PM Re: Stumbling Across Kiddie Porn [Re: Nobbynobs]
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Guys, I have been researching vigilante and watchdog groups for a while now. Be aware that many of these groups do NOT understand, and nor do they care about the behaviors associated with abuse. As I said, there are vigilantes out there that are in a different stage of recovery or are very angry about an event that happened to someone they know.

For example, if batcountry spoke on his incest issues and thoughts on a tagged site or an unsafe site, it could give these people cause to harrass, monitor, and/or whatever else they do.

It is somtimes insidious how they will entrap people. While their efforts may seem noble, many non-perpetrating survivors are getting shot in the crossfire.

These people are wanting to get rid of evil perps and sicko perverts, but they are and have screwed up several survivors and to me that is entirely unnacceptible.

When I said the road to hell is paved with good intentions, I damn well mean it. It is very true.

This site is safe but many are not.

I spoke with a group facilitator here in LA who told me of a recent story where some kid about 16 years old had inappropriate porn on his computer. This destroyed his life, then afterwards an investigation revealed that he had nothing to do with it. Apparently he went to a site, they hijacked his IP adress and screwed him over. Scott doesn't know if he was a survivor or not because the news article didn't mention if he was. He is searching for the article and when he finds it I will post it.

Be careful..


-philobat


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#141743 - 02/15/07 06:50 PM Re: Stumbling Across Kiddie Porn [Re: philobat]
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Originally Posted By: philobat
Guys, I have been researching vigilante and watchdog groups for a while now. Be aware that many of these groups do NOT understand, and nor do they care about the behaviors associated with abuse. As I said, there are vigilantes out there that are in a different stage of recovery or are very angry about an event that happened to someone they know.

For example, if batcountry spoke on his incest issues and thoughts on a tagged site or an unsafe site, it could give these people cause to harrass, monitor, and/or whatever else they do.

It is somtimes insidious how they will entrap people. While their efforts may seem noble, many non-perpetrating survivors are getting shot in the crossfire.

These people are wanting to get rid of evil perps and sicko perverts, but they are and have screwed up several survivors and to me that is entirely unnacceptible.

When I said the road to hell is paved with good intentions, I damn well mean it. It is very true.

This site is safe but many are not.

I spoke with a group facilitator here in LA who told me of a recent story where some kid about 16 years old had inappropriate porn on his computer. This destroyed his life, then afterwards an investigation revealed that he had nothing to do with it. Apparently he went to a site, they hijacked his IP adress and screwed him over. Scott doesn't know if he was a survivor or not because the news article didn't mention if he was. He is searching for the article and when he finds it I will post it.

Be careful..


-philobat


For once PB, you and I agree completely. The "anti-child porn" vigilantes hurt as many people as they "help" with their attacks. And there is no oversight of their activities, so they can mess someone's life up, and then walk away from it.

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#141749 - 02/15/07 08:17 PM Re: Stumbling Across Kiddie Porn [Re: Nobbynobs]
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Wow! Thanks guys. I was thinking of deleting my original post cos I thought 'it's so longwinded, get to the point man'. But you've taken this in a really interesting direction.

I'm really intrigued at what Philo is saying here about vigilante's, because I was using the term very loosely, I didn't mean actual vigilante's, but what you said has given me great pause, particularly as I am seeing you are not one to cast words to the wind.

I also like Nobby's more literary and abstracted reading of the whole idea too.

I have often thought about Bat, cos I relate to so much of his story and his background and that's why I agree with Philo too, Bat brings out the paternalistic in me, and I have to reign that in, because I just don't want anyone to hurt him, and that goes for others here too. I don't know Shadow too well or the others, but I am learning what their repsonses are indicating, the suffering that goes unspoken. I would hate anyone to rob these guys of their recovery.

And Jacob, thanks for pointing that out about the specifics of the law, cos I was podering looking at a nudist sites the other day, trying to wean myself off nudey women.... and again there were some tiny thumbnails of nudists, and what looked like kids perhaps, which I just realised I had seen at other nudists sites.... The other sites I had gone to as a nudist myself looking for info on beaches and societies and trying to decide whether I want to be a nudist and whether I am just trying to use a shock-treatment approach to overcome my body-image issues.

But this takes me in another direction. The more I think about it, the more I realise, Shit! There are pics of kids there. I never thought anything about it, other than rmembering some Anthroposophist friends of my wife who were nudists and that whole scene a la Confest, etc...

Look, I've gone on, but I'll post some links so you can see what I mean about Confest and hippies and 'Family Nudism':

http://www.dte.org.au/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism

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#141752 - 02/15/07 08:59 PM Re: Stumbling Across Kiddie Porn [Re: Nobbynobs]
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The worst part of it is that it is what I was trying to communicate all along and for whatever reason it was not coming out right. Probably because I have been so emotionally charged. This is the first time I have experienced anything like this (site) and I have been going a mile a minute. I forget to breathe!

I knew we'd agree on something!


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#141754 - 02/15/07 09:46 PM Re: Stumbling Across Kiddie Porn [Re: philobat]
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maybe we should start another thread and debate vigilante groups heh?

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#141758 - 02/15/07 10:44 PM Re: Stumbling Across Kiddie Porn [Re: shadowkid]
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That might provoke a war! I'd let it settle a bit.


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