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#131960 - 06/19/05 03:08 AM torn
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Registered: 06/19/05
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Loc: New Orleans
I've never posted before but I guess I'll try. I have something that bothers me alot. I can't be with girls. Maybe I was 'conditioned' to feel that way. But I don't want to be with guys. I was brought up strict Baptist and was taught that I am an abomination. I don't want to be ugly in the sight of others so I am by myself. It's confusing I know, but I don't think there's an answer for me.


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#131961 - 06/19/05 03:35 AM Re: torn
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MusicRX,

Welcome to MaleSruvivor.

Welcome to the club, I like some others here can't be with either, me included. The childhood sexual we suffered screwed up our normal sexual development we should have had and that is y we are so confused. I had my first sexual experience at 5 yrs old.

Straight, Gay or Bi I don't have the answer 4 myself, but I learn a lot from the other guys here about what they are going trough and it sort of takes the confusion sting away.

As 4 your religious background in the situation I have to say that u need to do some soul searching 4 yourslef, find what is right 4 u. U didn't ask to be like this and it wasn't your fault and no one elase could tell u u are an abomination which u aren't. U are a hurting guy and need some help and I am glad u found us here.

HEaling_Inside

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#131962 - 06/19/05 03:45 AM Re: torn
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Thank you. It sounds simple, but it isnt. When I told my family most of them rejected me, told me to leave town & never come back, asked me if I was sure I wasn't "messed up in the head", and 'nothing like this has ever happened in our family, and on and on. Most of my family doesnt even talk to me anymore and whats worse is that my mom is still married to him. I was taught that Family was everything but I know now that's a lie.


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#131963 - 06/19/05 04:00 AM Re: torn
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MusicRX,

I wish everything related to CSA was simple and I wish could control what others thought about us, but we can't, we can only be true to ourselves because we know the truth.

U know what happened to U, U got messed up in the head 4 what has happened to U and so did I.

What about the others in the family that didn't react negitivily toward to u can they be a support to U during this time?

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#131964 - 06/19/05 04:05 AM Re: torn
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MusicRx - Welcome to the site!!I'm sorry you need a place such as this BUT since you were abused, this is a good place to find support, questions and answers and how to make our way through the chaos left to us by our perps. Some of us have side issues as well. You may want to look through the past postings/themes over the last year (gay topics have been discussed). There is a box on the right side above the main forum page, that's where you can explore!! Many of us survivors wrestle(d) with our gender identities because of our sexual abuse as kids. Our families, like most of society, are very uncomfortable talking about sex let alone abuse (even though 1 out of 6 boys is abused before the age of 16). The church is even more at odds with each other on the gay issues. My 'bottom line' with the church is to realize that Jesus spent his entire ministry calling back into the church those whom the church "religiously" threw out. I invite you to interact here. Ask whatever questions you feel comfortable posting here in the public forum (remember its public so everybody can read your post). The members forum is read by members only. This can be a really great community to work through your abuse issues.

Howard

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#131965 - 06/19/05 04:20 AM Re: torn
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Loc: New Orleans
Thanks HOward. And Healing, about your question, it's really complicated. I'll try to tell u a little bit. Like I said, my mom stayed with her husband. I have a brother & sister (the perp is their dad), and we talk sometimes. But it's so disgusting because they live in a pretend world like nothing ever happened...like a Brady episode. It isn't spoken of..it's like nothing happened. I had him arrested when I finally told (my therapist helped me because my brother & sister were younger so i thought i had to tell to protect them), but it was just me. And after my mom told me that "it is the Will of God that she stay with him and Lead him to Salvation", I couldn't do it by myself...it was just the Assist. D.A. and me, and I was just a freshman in college. It's a very bizarre situation and for some reason Honestly, I think I am the only one bothered. It seems truthfully like it's just Me that has the problem. So no, to answer you Healing, it's just me.


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#131966 - 06/19/05 04:33 AM Re: torn
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MusicRX,

There are a lot of just me's on this web site, U might not be believed where u are, but there are a lot guys with similar situations and or stories in their lives and u are believed here at Male Survivor. Take a poke around ask ? like Howard said. U will find that u are not alone here. 4 a lot of us here, here is all we got in terms of support so contiune to join in as u are able.

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#131967 - 06/19/05 04:45 AM Re: torn
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Loc: New Orleans
Thanks. That gives me hope. Sometimes, like today, I wish I were someone else.


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#131968 - 06/19/05 06:24 AM Re: torn
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MusicRX,

I know the feeling about wishing u were someone else, I wish that almost everyday, but I wake up and I still am me and I deal with things the best way I can and so do u.

Sometimes things look a little brighter in the morning, so I am going to sleep, so good night and have a good sleep.

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#131969 - 06/21/05 04:26 PM Re: torn
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Registered: 02/09/05
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Loc: New Mexico, USA
I'm so glad you found this site. There's a huge difference between being damaged spiritually and being damaged emotionally. You are no abomination. What was done to you was an abomination.

I come from a Brady family, too. My parents still like to pretend that they're perfect. And, like you, I've lost my entire family. I have no one. So I've adopted a new "chosen family". There are a couple of families that are around my parents' age that have "adopted" me and my wife as their kids. We've told them about my parents, and it's so refreshing to see their lips curl to hear what my parents are really like. They have us over for dinner and treat us as if we were their own. That's what we need. Support from outside. There's no going to be any good fruit coming from my parents' poisonous family tree. I've got to find my support elsewhere, like at this site.

And as to religion, I say change. My grandparents were Presbyterian when my uncle was SA me, and my parents were Methodist when my dad was beating me black and blue. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses. It may not be popular, but I'm not going to belong to a church that makes me the problem. And, unlike my family, I refuse to be a hypocrite.

SA messes with our views of sex. I had the same feelings you do. I didn't want to be with guys, but I had a terrible time being with my wife. My therapist said that would improve as I had good experiences to replace the horrible experiences of SA. It has helped. The closer I stay to my wife, the less I feel like I'm tainted in some way. And going back to the abuse, keeping the blame where it belongs, remembering that I am not what was done to me, it helps me see that I'm not a bad person. The people who did this to us were the bad people. We were just kids.

I'm so sorry you're having to go through this. We're with you. Say it out loud, "I am not a bad person." The rest of us know you aren't. Keep writing as you can. It really helps.

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"The former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart."--Isaiah 65:17

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#131970 - 06/24/05 02:44 AM Re: torn
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Registered: 06/19/05
Posts: 22
MusicRX, hang in there, your humanness is immediately apparent--I/we suffer because we are human--I had the same alienation and separation from extended family--they were and are very arrogant and mean. They are realy telling a lot to you by what they say--not in words but in actions. I believe now that there shouldn' be an automatic praising of family--like individuals they are accountable. If they act like cads they are cads.

The damage these sorts of "families" is that they "enable" us with tapes in our head saying how bad we are. I opened up a dialogue with one family member on this and plan to go point by point on my own extended "family"'s individual actions of rejection and meanness which have gone under the radar screen and which they've gotten away with. I believe certainly in my case at least that this rabal, this cabal needs to be cornered in argument even though it will have to be for a long spell an argument in the imagination (visualization, etc) in which I am calling them on their meanness. I could even turn it into a pseudo page of Shakespeare. But I believe for me at some time and some moment in a constructive way this cabal/this horde needs to be taken off its high horse and put back on its high chair and start to relearn what they so abyssmally failed to learn the first time about what would be the true characteristics of a loving family, not a horde of emotional blood sucking and prim though improper bandits. My hero in Biblical writings is Joseph who rose against his wanting family--his brothers--and exceeded them and later I recall forgave them--but not before he stepped out of the victim role and said I won't let them keep me going on being a victim. It will take much time but in the end jusice will prevail if I let it be but not just let it be.

I believe we can transcend and rise above and away from those charlatans who imagined themselves to be our "family." But I need to hold them accountable in writing to myself, instead of them use me as a scapegoat for their own internal abomination which they haven't owned up to yet--at least in this life. I will their ignorance to them; I don't want any of their ignorance and victimzing collaboration circulating in my heart and soul. let it continue to abominate and pollute their own hearts, but not mine. I have a life to live, not a life to regret; I will leave the latter to my ersatz, vinyl and cheap chrome "family." The spiritual ashes of an old "family" can give birth to a real family that genuinely knows how to love and revels in it for higher purpose and higher living. I need to breathe air and not swallow fumes. Let the hypocrites and ignorant do that.


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#131971 - 06/24/05 07:52 AM Re: torn
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Registered: 06/19/05
Posts: 8
Loc: New Orleans
Feelinglow,
I wish that I could've had a friend like you when I was growing up. You are very wise.


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#131972 - 06/24/05 10:24 AM Re: torn
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Registered: 04/30/05
Posts: 462
Loc: Florida
Music RX:

I don't know how many more words of wisdom that I can add to what's already been said. It's a shame that your family has rejected you. It may be true that "family is everything", but that doesn't necessarily mean your biological family. You CAN build a family of choice starting with the people here.

I hope that I don't offend anyone, but speaking as a former seminarian studying to be a Catholic priest, I have seen many people hide behind the veil of religion in order to satisfy their twisted ideas or justify their rejection of other people just because they are different. I'm going to take one paragraph to explain something where your mother is DEAD WRONG and then I'll drop the theological discussion and come back to the original posting:

John Calvin's writings are what the Baptist church and many other fundamentalist religions are founded on. Unlike Catholicism which believes that every being is inherently good although we have sin (which translated from Hebrew is to "miss the mark", or make a mistake), Calvin believed that we are NOTHING without the salvation of Christ. So, we're kind of like a cake that's rotten inside, but we still look pretty outside because of the icing.

Now, I make no judgements on what people believe, but your mother missed a BIG HALF of the equasion in your church's belief, not to mention she has deluded herself into believing that God has somehow mysteriously called her to stay with your father, your abuser, as her personal mission in life. Sounds more like a pygmalion complex to me, or MAJOR enabling. Whatever the case, she has given you a HUGE message that an abuser, a perpetrator is better than you are.... doesn't that sound a little twisted?

As to your sexual confusion. Like everyone else has said, you're not alone there. And, in my 48 years, I've finally come to the conclusion (many here can tell you of the posting after posting where I was distressed over this) that I don't need to put a label on myself. I am who I am.

the most important thing is to be true to yourself. Being sexually abused doesn't make someone gay, nor do fantasies about other men or even sexual activity with other men make you gay. In the end, it is a personal revelation that each of us comes to after a great deal of soul searching. If the overwhelming majority of your attractions are with women and you see yourself building a life with a woman someday, that defines who you are. Conversely, if the majority of your attractions are with men and you see yourself building a life with another man, that also defines who you are.

In the end, most struggle inside before we come to a conclusion. Just don't make societal pressures make you force yourself one way or the other. On a personal, spiritual level, I believe that an all loving creator is going to love me no matter who I am and as long as I live my life based on honor, respect and love for others I have done well.

The healing process that we all talk about is really like mourning a death. We are mourning the death of a childhood that was taken away from us. We mourn the innocence that was lost far too early in our lives. And, sometimes, we also mourn the loss of our biological families because they reject us.

My mother died not speaking to me for 6 years after I confronted the family. My brother, who is 12 years my senior, still doesn't speak to me and doesn't believe me even though he saw what I grew up with, argued constantly with my mother as to what she was doing to me as a kid, and was amazed that I hadn't committed suicide before the age of 25. But he still doesn't believe me and wanted me to "forgive my mother because I'm a Christian". I still hang onto my anger at my mother for some reason.... however, forgiveness doesn't necessarily mean that we would share International Coffee and hug each other. It is possible to forgive someone but still have to maintain boundaries and stay away from him/her/them to maintain your personal safety.

So, it seems that you are at a point in your life where you have to make some decisions. You can go forward with your life right now and for the time being, accept the fact that your family may never talk to you again. Things may change someday in the future, but don't give yourself any false hopes.

Start to develop a relationship with yourself - your inner child. Love that little boy inside for who he is - an innocent, loving, gentle and sensitive little boy who happened to be hurt terribly. If you are religious, think about what an all-loving God is like - would he reject you? You're not tainted, and you're not damaged goods.

Search your heart and take your time as to your sexual identity. As I said, the VAST MAJORITY of sexually abused men have a lot of sexual confusion. But don't get caught up in the fact that you have to label yourself straight, bi, or gay. Learn who you are at your very core and don't be afraid of the answer you find. You will live a much more happy and fulfilled life as long as you are true to who and what you are no matter what that is.

Know that someday you will get better at relationships with other people. Because we were so brutally betrayed as children (and some of that betrayal continues from rejection of our family), we do have a hard time developing relationships.... not just romantic ones, but deep friendships also. In a sense, we are re-learning how to trust other people. That is something that children learn as they grow up. Our development was arrested and squashed.

None of this is an easy journey, but then again, nothing in life worthwhile is easy. There is no magic pill and no ONE way of dealing with your situation is the right way. You need to find your own path. It starts with baby steps.... you have already started by coming here.

If you don't already have a good therapist, get one. There are very few of us who can get through this on our own. Make sure it's a therapist who has experience with childhood sexual abuse. And, if you choose someone and you don't see progress in a year or so, find someone else. Try to find someone who will gently lead you ahead on the road, but will allow you to be yourself. AND it has to be someone who will be honest with you and maybe gently open your eyes to confront some of those ghosts.

We're all here for you and for each other. We learn from each others' triumphs and mistakes. We can be your family of choice - a true family in every sense of the word. A family is a group of people who love and support each other through thick and thin, but are honest and give a "kick in the pants" when it's needed. My "family" does not consist of my mother, father, and brother. I have given up hope that they could be the Leave it to Beaver people that I grew up with on TV. I've chosen other people in my life who will love me and lift me up when I fall flat on my face.

I hope that I was able to give some feedback to help you see things a little more clearly.

SD

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