i just read on MSN that Dick Cheney in a radio interview claimed that water boarding -

a tortue technique (interrogation technique)

used on terrorists (a simulated drowning)
was "a no brainer" he is for it...

all i could think of was well yes -

no brain seems to be what your best at, Dick.

You said it!
Torture the real terrorists, himself included.
What sort of world do we live in, when authorities are known to torture people.

Back to the dark ages

You bet:::

I personally think that genuinely moral individuals have to reject torture as such - not with exceptions for enemies defined according to various narrow and VERY self-serving criteria.

The fact that Cheney doesn't see this shows what an asshole and bigot he is.

And no, this has NOTHING to do with Republicans and Democrats. It does, however, has everything to do with rejecting the behavior of callous opportunistic animals, whatever their political orientation, who think that their goals justify taking humanity back to morality of the Stone Age.

Much love,
Larry

I think cheny, bush, wolfovitz and a few others should have to test this type of torture personally, with the added skill level of a 500volt cable in the water.

Using such barbaric acts will get you to admit to anything unless you die, and it adds to the barbarity the troops face in the countries where these guys are taken from,

ste

does anybody remember how you felt on 9 11. probably not the way you feel now .when your dealing with extremists it takes extreme measures ,at least we dont cut peoples heads off on national tv

Adam,

we can never condone abuse from any side.
If you dunk someone enough times, they are either going to sign something that is not true or die.

Authoritive abuse or torture, is no different from what you have witnessed, and maybe these guys would not cut heads off, if they were on a level playing field.

We call ourselves human, but we are just as inhumane as any other state, and what goes around comes around.

I dont want vengeance on what happened to me, I forgave things to give myself a life.
We cannot condone torture for anybody, to get information that was gained through it.

ste

im not saying its right ,but we are dealing with people who place no value on human life none. their own life means nothing to them so yours or mine are worthless. did you know in many mid east countries its ok for men to have sex with their sons till they are 13 then they are men and cant be screwed anymore? if you were confrontedby one of these terorists do you think he would care if you have forgivness in your heart? while i dont agree with the politics of this war ,the men and boys who are fighting it are there because there is so much more than 9 11 or oil involved. its about people being treated as human beings ,its about human rights ,the sad part is the people thet are trying to help will kill them just the same as the terrorists,i think the us should get out and let these animals just go on killing each other .if we were really in humane we would have nuked them into dust on 9 12. also god only knows what they do to their daughters

I once read a nonfiction book called "Princess" secretly written by a real Arabian or Iranian (?)(mid Eastern anyway) Princess - she recalled that the women have no birth certificates so if the family decides to kill a daughter it is ok and there are no records kept of births or deaths of women. Also if a woman is raped, that is one reason her family will kill her because they believe she is the one at fault, the unclean one. So tragic. I remember one daughter was drowned in her family's swimming pool on purpose for this reason.

Let us not get out of perspective here.
It is not right to abuse anybody for any reason, and it is not good that we abuse others because they abuse us.

Karma, is of course paying things forward and saying hey, we dont abuse you, so why to us.
Let us put a stop to abuse by saying hey, we are humane.

Who is to say that who they capture are guilty without torturing them to say anything they want.
We are just being abusive to get a statement.

I reckon that if it was me, they could just drown me, because if I dont wanna tell they could torture me forever, but thats just me and my conviction in life.

We dont have to be as bad as them, we have seen them operate in our own lives, but we need to be as far away as looking for revenge, it only hurts ourselves,

ste

ste my point is you cant apply normal thinking to this situtation