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#129290 - 10/08/04 01:48 PM Has anyone read Ayn Rand?
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I am currently at odds with 'Atlas Shrugged', and was wondering if anyone else has read this book? Is it truly just a thinly veiled 1100-page philosophical propagandist statement of the evils of socialism and the beauty of capitalism?

leosha

(Edited to correct a spelling error, and to say 'Not that there's anything wrong with that'! Capitalism works for me!)

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#129291 - 10/08/04 02:13 PM Re: Has anyone read Ayn Rand?
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Interesting,
it is not so easy to say what's the better.
Modern world is far more complex than was few years ago.
Capitalism with god social policy like in Sweden is just fine with me. But rigid or undeveloped capitalism such is at the moment in my country is terrible for the most of the population.
I am afraid that my country is on fast track to adopt all bad things from global consumerism and there would no be other important things in the society instead of money (and I am not sure that this is positive development of any kind no matter what would say WB, IMF, EBRD etc.).

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#129292 - 10/08/04 02:32 PM Re: Has anyone read Ayn Rand?
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That depends on if you are asking a capitalist or a socialist! The average university literature professor will call it pseudo-intellectual propaganda. The average CEO of a Fortune 500 company will call it a profound fountainhead of philosophy.

There are many more collage professors than CEO’s. So you will get a lot more votes for the propaganda verdict. But the CEO’s have all of the money. I guess it depends on your point of view. Is man a creature of free will, entitled to the product of his own labor, or is he a servant of society owing his labor to the “greater good?”

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#129293 - 10/08/04 02:53 PM Re: Has anyone read Ayn Rand?
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LOL, Aden, ok, so I am a bit more confused now! That is true, what you say, of the CEOs having more money, although there are more college professors. What an actual depiction of differing 'classes' (for lack of better word) in society. Both intelligent and hard working people. Hm. From what I looked up on her, I guess her philosophy is 'objectivism'. I need to learn more about that I guess to understand this more.

Why can't it be a light, easier to understand little tome such as we Russians have offered to the masses over the years?? ;\)

leosha

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#129294 - 10/08/04 08:03 PM Re: Has anyone read Ayn Rand?
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D'oh whats a Tome. Is that how you say tomb in mother russia \:D \:\) ;\)

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#129295 - 10/08/04 10:38 PM Re: Has anyone read Ayn Rand?
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Leosha,

I went through a period of Objectivism during my college years. I eventually came to see that what she preached was incompatible with the Christianity that I professed and practiced - still is, for that matter. I think that she reacted very violently to the Communist takeover of Russia and much of her bitterness, anger, hatred, and, yes, homesickness shows through in what she writes.

Tom

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#129296 - 10/08/04 11:59 PM Re: Has anyone read Ayn Rand?
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Aden
ain't that the truth!

Money talks, every time.

But come the revolution, I'll make sure everyone has enough to live on. ;\)

Dave

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#129297 - 10/19/04 10:42 AM Re: Has anyone read Ayn Rand?
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free will! free will! free will! yippeee!


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#129298 - 10/19/04 12:48 PM Re: Has anyone read Ayn Rand?
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Leosha,

I read some Ayn Rand in college. The teacher was very enthusiastic about her writing. I found it tedious, not only thinly veiled, but thin all around, like a peasant's soup in time of famine.

Now, as for those light hearted Russian tomes \:\) , I did enjoy "Diary of a Madman" (Oh, God, how did that get published?! I thought it was still under my bed!) and "The Double," both in translation. Oh, and back in college, "The Cherry Orchard." I had a book of Soviet science fiction that really fascinated me in college, because it combined my love of sci-fi with a chance to see insights from people living in a system so different from the one I inhabited.

Thanks,

Joe

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