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#127383 - 06/15/04 12:48 PM Those stupid PTSD symptoms again...
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Hey Youze Guys! As some of you may know, I recently went through one of those hideous Ik Attacks that we are all prone to... Am recovering quite nicely on an emotional level, but have been experiencing some weird physical symptoms: low red blood count, muscle aches, general physical slowness (though not always fatigue), body temperature of around 96 degrees, blood pressure of 90/65, low T-3 thyroid reading, possible indication of renal infection... I will be going back to the doctor tonight after work & will ask for adrenal testing. Has anyone else had similar symptoms???? Is anyone else aware of any new findings regarding the physical changes brought on by our PTSD?

Thanks!!!

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#127384 - 06/15/04 01:10 PM Re: Those stupid PTSD symptoms again...
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Kolisha,

We had a long thread on physical effects and symptoms of abuse, traumatic stress, etc. a year ago or so. I was really surprised at some of the connections.

I don't have a specific answer to your question. But I think it's important to recognize that not everything in our lives comes from the abuse and reactions to abuse. Maybe there are effects on kindney function, etc, that someone can show are related to PTSD, or maybe not. Either way, it's a real good thing that you're getting it checked out.

Thanks,

Joe

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#127385 - 06/15/04 01:31 PM Re: Those stupid PTSD symptoms again...
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I haven't looked into this as much as I should yet. I do know that it all does tie into the glandular system and the body's chemical balances. I have no doubt in my mind that healthy eating and other things like exercise and drinking a lot of water can help to stabalize the body and bring extra balance to all of this.

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#127386 - 06/15/04 05:52 PM Re: Those stupid PTSD symptoms again...
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I actually served as a guinea pig in a study about 6 yrs ago about PTSD, cortisol, & EMDR. The research was based on the fact that those with PTSD have very low levels of cortisol in their bodies. The researchers wanted to see if EMDR would have any impact upon the cortisol.

What we found was that, yes, the EMDR DID, in fact increase the levels. However, as a result of having more cortisol, I am convinced (but can't prove) that I have new kinds of symptoms generated by the so-called "cure." Almost all of the stuff I am now experiencing is linked to too much you-know-what....

So - just a thought....

Meanwhile, I would love to find that original thread - how could I locate it????

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#127387 - 06/15/04 06:06 PM Re: Those stupid PTSD symptoms again...
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#127388 - 06/15/04 09:32 PM Re: Those stupid PTSD symptoms again...
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Yikes!!!


OUCH!!!!

Anyway, have now been referred to a new "holistic" doctor prior to being referred to an endocrynologist....

the fun just keeps on going.

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#127389 - 06/15/04 09:54 PM Re: Those stupid PTSD symptoms again...
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That list only seems to have about half of the stuff that I've seen / read.

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#127390 - 06/16/04 09:41 AM Re: Those stupid PTSD symptoms again...
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Mike,

Do tell. I'm pretty sure I would not be the only one interested, and if we keep it going here instead of adding to the old thread, everyone can join in.

Thanks,

Joe

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#127391 - 06/16/04 02:01 PM Re: Those stupid PTSD symptoms again...
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This is the list so far of physical ailments that affect many of us, have a read through and add a post of what you think is missing.
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Ailments: Can manifest individually or in any combination or degree. Many of the things listed may apply to both physical and mental. Some of the ailments listed also cross over in other ways / categories.


Physical Ailments:

Allergies

Anxiety disorder; Panic Attacks / attacks

Chronic diarrhea

Constipation

Crohns

Degenerative Arthritis

Dental problems; Related to starvation as child (i.e. easily broken teeth, lack of dental hygiene while young), Temporal Mandibular Dysfunction Temporal headaches, bruxism ( pain in the Temporal Mandibular Joint largely due to some form of stress in the individuals life. - grinding of one's teeth )

Diabetes, Diabetes type 2

Fatigue; Fibromyalgia, Chronic fatigue syndrome

Glandular problems; All types

Heart: Heart disease, Vascular Disease, Hypertension (high blood pressure), Peripheral artery disease, cerebral artery disease, death

Hypothermia; heat exhaustion

Migraines

Migranous Neuralgia ( aka Hortons neuralgia / cluster headaches / easter headaches)

Peptic Ulcers

Physical damage; permanent from physical / sexual abuse ( crushed testicles, scarring, etc ), Muscle & joint problems directly resulting from beatings as a child, Rectal and intestinal problems, SIS (Shaken Infant Syndrome), Spinal cord damage

Physical self-abuse; Self harming, cutting and burning etc.

Pulmonary disorders; Hyperventilating

Sexual Dysfunctions; Impotence etc.

Sexually transmitted diseases; A.I.D.S., Syphilis. Gonorrhea. Herpes, NGU. Staphylococcus Aurous, etc.

Sleep disorders; Apnea, Narcolepsy, Cataplexy (sleep disorder effected greatly by emotional state as well as physical), Restless Leg Syndrome (sleep disorder), Hypnogogic Hallucinations (related to sleep disorders)

TMD (can someone expand on this please?)


Mental Ailments:

Addictions: adrenaline, alcohol, caffeine, drugs, exercise, food, gambling, narcotics, pornography, prescribed medications, sex, sexual compulsions, tobacco, violence, work, etc.. Bicycle substance addiction / abuse (That is to say, you never stick with one substance; Cigarettes, drugs, sex, alcohol, etc.)

Bi-Polar Disorder (Manic / Depressant)

Depression; Minor / Major/ Severe Clinical Depression, suicide

Dissociations; All types including DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder), feel less than human, feel super human, inability to feel physical stimulations or pain, isolation, dizziness and fainting

Eating disorders; All types including Anorexia, Bulimia

OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder); Cleanliness (Hygiene, washing all or part of the body, extremely hot showers, etc.), Eating, Gambling, Spending money.

Manic behaviors

Paranoia; All types

Personality disorders; Passive / Aggressive personality, anti-social, hyper social

Phantom Pains

P.T.S.D. (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder), CPTSD (COMPLEX PTSD)

Rape Trauma Syndrome

Somatization disorder

Schizophrenia; All Types


I'm going to continue to add to and edit this post.
Right now, I am extremely busy, but this will let us get moving with it.

Physical ailments caused by muscle memory: I have heard of people having surgery on various parts of their body because their muscles were so tense and stressed that they physically distorted body parts, including the spine.


Chronic Stress;
Over time, chronic stress affects the cardiovascular system, the nervous system, and the immune system. For example, chronic stress can lead to high blood pressure and make you susceptible to infection and affect many diseases, such as depression, heart disease, and asthma. Chronic stress may also result in memory loss.
Long term effects of stress on the body: Chronic stress
Chronic stress can be the result of many instances of acute stress or a life condition, such as a difficult job situation or chronic disease. Over time, chronic stress can have an effect on:
• Cardiovascular disease. Stress can lead to high blood pressure, abnormal heartbeat (arrhythmia), problems with blood clotting, and hardening of the arteries (atherosclerosis). It also affects coronary artery disease, heart attack, and heart failure.
• Muscle pain. People with stress often have neck, shoulder, and low back pain. This may be due to constant tension in the muscle because of stress. Stress also affects rheumatoid arthritis.
• Stomach and intestinal problems. Stress may be a factor in gastroesophageal reflux (GERD), peptic ulcer disease, and irritable bowel syndrome.
• Reproductive organs. Stress can result in painful menstrual periods, decreased fertility, and erection problems.
• The lungs. Stress can make symptoms of asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) worse.
• The immune system. Stress changes the immune system. The body becomes more vulnerable to many illnesses, from colds and minor infections to major diseases such as cancer.
• Stress also plays a role in depression and diabetes.


Universal Reactions to sexual assault / rape:
• Emotional Shock: I feel numb. How can I be so calm? Why can't I cry?
• Disbelief and/or Denial: Did it really happen? Why me? Maybe I just imagined it. It wasn't really rape.
• Embarrassment: What will people think? I can't tell my family or friends.
• Shame: I feel completely filthy, like there's something wrong with me. I can't get clean.
• Guilt: I feel as if it's my fault, or I should've been able to stop it. If only I had...
• Depression: How am I going to get through the semester? I'm so tired! I feel so hopeless. Maybe I'd be better off dead
• Powerlessness: Will I ever feel in control again?
• Disorientation: I don't even know what day it is, or what class I'm supposed to be in. I keep forgetting things.
• Flashbacks: I'm still re-living the assault! I keep seeing that face and feeling like it's happening all over again.
• Fear: I'm scared of everything. What if I have herpes or AIDS? I can't sleep because I'll have nightmares. I'm afraid to go out. I'm afraid to be alone.
• Anxiety: I'm having panic attacks. I can't breathe! I can't stop shaking. I feel overwhelmed.
• Anger: I feel like killing the person who attacked me!
• Physical Stress: My stomach (or head or back) aches all the time. I feel jittery and don't feel like eating.


CPTSD symptoms:

1) Alteration in regulation of afect (emotion) and impulses such as chronic affect dysregulation which means "your emotions have a life of their own."
2) Alterations in attention or consciousness like depersonalization and transient dissociative episodes aka "zoning out".
3) Somatization in which your body holds the
trauma, like chronic pain, digestive problems, cardiopulmonary problems, and conversion symptoms in which psychological problems get converted into physical symptoms.
4) Alterations in self-perception, like feeling you are permanently damaged & minimizing the importance of the traumatic events in your life.
5) Possible alterations in your perception of the perpetrator--idealizing, obsessing with hurting him/her/them, or adopt the distorted beliefs of the perp about yourself, others & what happened as true.
6) Alterations in relations with others: inability to trust, re-victimizing yourself, victimizing others.
7) Alterations in systems of meaning (how you see life, others & spirituality); i.e. hopelessness, despair, and loss of beliefs that previously sustained you.

"If you have experienced prolonged, repeated, extensive exposure to traumatic events, you may be suffering from a disorder that has not yet been
named in the DSM-IV..."

"Persons who may suffer from complex PTSD include prisoners of war, hostages who were held captive for long periods of time, concentration camp survivors, war zone survivors, cult survivors, battering victims, domestic violence survivors, sexual abuse survivors, and children who have suffered other types of trauma."

"You are more likely to experience symptoms of complex PTSD if your traumatization occurred early
in your life, was prolonged, and was interpersonal."

(from the PTSD Workbook, pp 11-13).

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