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#125964 - 01/27/04 12:52 PM
Re: Chat room closing...
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Chat Mod Emeritus
MaleSurvivor
Registered: 06/29/03
Posts: 1983
Loc: Flint, Michigan
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Yes Andrew, the buck stops at Fred Tolson,
My questions here, and in "Ask the Board", still remains:
What is the reason for the closing of the chat room?
More over, Why hasn't the Board posted reason for its closing?
and now, With all this discussion going on, why hasn't President Tolson and the Board replied as of yet?
Patiently (for the time being) awaiting reply,
Bill
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#125965 - 01/27/04 12:57 PM
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MaleSurvivor
Registered: 09/24/03
Posts: 2154
Loc: Massachusetts
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Mike, Lloydy, et. al.,
I agree with everyone else here. It's NOT personal to demand accountability from those who, by all appearences, made an arbitrary and unexplained decision that has an impact on many of the brothers and sisters here, both dues-paying and non.
We went through an effort to save this site, and it seems they are trying to disassemble it, bit by bit. I demand, DEMAND! an explanation, otherwise we should demand a refund of dues and monies raised. It appears that is wasn't well spent.
It isn't personal to demand accountability. It's the fair thing for all involved to ask for.
Listening, all you decision-makers? It's called dessent (sp?). The next step is to see if you've breached your contract with the dues-payers. Think you needed money before? Try needing it after we ask for refunds for breach-of-faith.
Fight for your rights!
Scot
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#125966 - 01/27/04 12:58 PM
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Registered: 04/13/02
Posts: 1332
Loc: Wyoming
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Yes Bill where is the board with the reasons? Fred in Co. which means it's 11am there. Almost half the day gone and nothing from the leadership. No wonder Andrew is calling for him to step down. I'm sure they are aware of this thread and all the questions Im sure they have gotten the email from the mods' who they have kept in the dark about as well. So Where are they?
James
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#125967 - 01/27/04 12:59 PM
Re: Chat room closing...
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Moderator Emeritus
MaleSurvivor
Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 3439
Loc: Toronto, Canada
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I see your point Gentlemen.
I think that Fred my have inherited the deficit because it did not happen when he was President.
Before we brand anyone I think it is only fair that some explanation be given. I wonder if anyone of us know the true history of MaleSurvivor and where it originated. I did not until about 5 minutes ago and I would really appreciate it if this could be made public knowledge.
So please just bear with it for a bit. The way it was handled was extreme and with little consideration is a given. But I have been guilty of acting in haste without the knowledge of all the facts many times in my life. The biggest one was not seeking the input of another counsellor so many years ago.
We will be aprised of the facts I am sure about that
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IT REALLY IS OK TO STUMBLE. NONE OF US ARE PERFECT.
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#125968 - 01/27/04 01:00 PM
Re: Chat room closing...
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Moderator Emeritus
MaleSurvivor
Registered: 07/25/03
Posts: 1192
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Gentlemen, this morning I got a legal opinion as to whether there has been a breach of contract to the paying membership of MS as a result of the chatroom service being closed. I have been told there is not a breach of same. The reason given is that there was never a promise about specific services being maintained. What was promised or offered is as follows: Benefits of Membership
Discounts on Conference registration fees.
Member Directory.
Free listing for professional members in our Directory of Therapists & Other Practioners.
Networking opportunities with professionals, including other sexual abuse survivors.
Quarterly Newsletter.
Quick access to timely information for members through this Web site.
The personal satisfaction of knowing that you are part of an extensive effort to support male survivors, educate others, and gain valuable new skills to help in your professional practice.
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We do not sell, loan or rent out our membership information to anyone. Please read our privacy statement.
We hope you support what we're doing and want to join us. And if you have the time, we invite you to join a committee or two.
A limited number of no cost "sweat equity" memberships are available to those who are disabled, unemployed or experiencing financial hardship. These no-cost memberships are available in exchange for specific volunteer work with MaleSurvivor and on a limited basis. Contact member services for more information So it seems that our legal recourse is limited as the chatroom was never specifically mentioned. However, according to section 5.8 of the bylaws, as a voting member, I can ask for a division of the house, and at that time the board has to tell me how each member voted, and which board members voted to close the chat room and which ones voted no. I also have the right to see the tran>
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#125969 - 01/27/04 01:11 PM
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Registered: 04/13/02
Posts: 1332
Loc: Wyoming
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Yes Mike I have read the history. Have you read the bio's on the list of the Board member's? They have enough letter's combined to chock a can of abc soup. You would think with all them degree's that one of them would have said "You know maybe we should tell the guys why we are doing this." I relize that may be a streach after all I dont have any letter's after my name but Jr. I dont have books about dealing with male sexual abuse I've not been quoted in the NY Times or on Dateline. So what do I know..Im just an uneducated Okie....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FOR THE BOARD<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
There has been a request for a divistion of the house and a call to list how each member voted as well as a copy of the tran>
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#125970 - 01/27/04 01:18 PM
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MaleSurvivor
Registered: 09/24/03
Posts: 2154
Loc: Massachusetts
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Mike,
I know what you're saying, but those that run this site are supposedly experts on this subject, particularly about betrayal of trust.
Seems they did that, no? And with no explanation besides.
I demand accountability. Who was the "expert" who made this decision, and what was their rationale?
I ain't hiding behind an announcement. I'm putting my name here. They should take a lesson from it.
Scot Carr
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fromacuriousmind.blogspot.com
malehurtandsurvive.blogspot.com
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#125971 - 01/27/04 01:20 PM
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Registered: 04/13/02
Posts: 1332
Loc: Wyoming
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Well now there's a motion and a second for the board to answer to this matter. So now it's the board's turn. Let's see how this new leadership deals with it.
James
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#125972 - 01/27/04 01:25 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
MaleSurvivor
Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 3439
Loc: Toronto, Canada
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My brothers I beg you to wait to hear something from the Board. It is tearing me apart to see what is going on at this time. We are all here to heal and I am so fearful that this will have an adverse effect on many of us in our healing. I know it has for me and I am questioning my own sense of self worth again. Not at all rational but there it is.
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Mikey
IT REALLY IS OK TO STUMBLE. NONE OF US ARE PERFECT.
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