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#123070 - 12/13/06 01:38 AM Re: Who was the first
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wow -

that's another thing i like about the Vikings.

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#123071 - 12/13/06 06:27 PM Re: Who was the first
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Yes, Nobbynobs, I heard about that fact. The ancient Greeks were very sinful and, yes, paedophiles.

Even in Russia, a couple of centuries ago it was normal that a father used his daughters for sex - because he was the head of the whole family. It is a bit different topic...

I have just wondered how much info about sexually abused females was integrated into culture - and everyone knows that women can be sexually predated. But when it comes to men, there is no such a cultural baggage. I don't see men as victims, particularly because they act out what society thinks of them, that they are tough and like machines with the big genetals. Shit, this is so bad... So bad...

I don't get surprised when I hear how men suffer from PTSD, when the abuse substance and continue to satisfy expectations of the crowd actually.

Also I wanted to say that I think it is ok to organize a march or a meeting with demonstation of our will - like women did in the 19th century.

Who knows, maybe men will come and tell everyone in the world (by mass media) how they got humiliated and subjected to the abusers' atrocities.

Who knows, eh?

Alexey

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#123072 - 12/15/06 12:31 PM Re: Who was the first
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Interesting, about the ancient Greeks. If 'pedophilia' was acceptable at the time, would those involved be considered 'survivors'? And would the others involved be considered 'perpetrators'?

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#123073 - 12/16/06 01:14 PM Re: Who was the first
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it was a disgusting practice of the Ancient World -
the Romans too did this -

all over their empire - I saw it on a PBS documentary -

it's sick.

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#123074 - 12/16/06 02:10 PM Re: Who was the first
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It was practised pretty much non-stop up until very recently, I think. It wasn't until Charles Dickens and the childrens' rights movements in the 1800s that public awareness began to shift to how children were being treated.

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#123075 - 12/16/06 04:05 PM Re: Who was the first
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Leosha,

Interesting question. Unfortunately, what is accepted in society isn't necessary the right and good thing. It isn't until someone in power, be it a single powerful man/woman, or the masses finally speak up to correct a wrong, that society as a whole changes. That change can, and many times does, take decades or centuries to take hold. Slavery comes to mind here in the States and the Holocaust in Germany. Two very extreme, but like examples. It was and is an appalling behavior that was accepted as normal and OK. All hell had to break loose, quite literally, in the form of war to stop the injustices that people will perpetrate upon one another.

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#123076 - 12/16/06 05:29 PM Re: Who was the first
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Who? Said it has stopped!
Its just not seen, and kept behind closed doors.

Nah, man will never change, he will just get more cunning,

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#123077 - 12/16/06 06:13 PM Re: Who was the first
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No Ste, it hasn't stopped. But people are working very hard to make it stop. Slavery has stopped but the prejudice is still there. The Holocaust, has a different name, genocide, and different victims.

Good people continue to fight the wrongs and I believe that the good outweights the bad. I'm a bit of a pollyanna in the way I think sometimes, but I'm a pollyanna with a sword and I'll gladly take up the fight for what I believe is right in order to protect those that can't protect themselves. It's all we can do and if there are enough of us, we'll win.

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#123078 - 12/25/06 06:06 PM Re: Who was the first
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Hello!

I like your confidentiality, Trish. Thanks.

Merry Christmas!

Alexey

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#123079 - 12/26/06 07:16 PM Re: Who was the first
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Hey, I have made another mistake.

I liked the confidence. (Not confidentiality).

Sorry for English.

Be well Trish.

Alexey

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